Whether I put money in or leave my win on it makes no difference - if the cash is gone,I've lost. Of course it is not fraud. As the vending industry says in their TV commercial - We don't need rules. Where nothing is regulated, there can be no fraud. As with all the other "regulations" regarding Slot machines, there are no serious regulations that cannot be circumvented.
I do think there is a difference. I used to see this so many times in the Spielo. Someone had 400€ on the machine, gambles on 2€ bet Book of Ra, gets free spins with A or K and gets no extension and only once 4 as a top win and complains loudly that this can not be. And then gambles it all away. And I always thought to myself, just pay out your 500€ and get out. It's not your fault if you lose at gambling. But you ARE to blame if you win at gambling and gamble away your win
Bone wrote on 04/12/2019 at 1:36 pm
I do think there is a difference. I used to see this so many times in the Spielo. Someone had 400€ on the machine, gambles on 2€ bet Book of Ra, gets free spins with A or K and gets no extension and only once 4 as a top win and complains loudly that this can not be. And then gambles it all away. And I always thought to myself, just pay out your 500€ and get out. It's not your fault if you lose at gambling. But you ARE to blame if you win at gambling and gamble away your win.
That's right. Still, it's my money - deposited or won, it doesn't matter - and therefore my loss. Whether I gamble it away or take it with me is my own business. I can lose more than 60 euros an hour at a machine, despite all the claims of the machine industry to the contrary. That is the point. There are no rules regarding the loss
True enough. Still, it's my money - deposited or won, it doesn't matter - and therefore my loss. Whether I gamble that away or take it with me is my own business. I can lose more than 60 euros an hour on a machine, despite all the claims of the vending industry to the contrary. That is the point. There are no rules regarding the loss
Yes, of course you own all the money you win. But many people don't see it that way. Also here in the forum one reads examples of this kind quite often. "Am with my Deposit of 20 € only up to a maximum of 100 €, then all gone". But that is not necessarily a loss for me. The luck it needs to make from 20€ at all 100€, underestimate many here. I am also not someone who pays out every win directly, I also want to have my play time and hope for a higher win. But I would never complain if it went well and I even then gambled it all away again
Bone wrote on 04/12/2019 at 1:59 pm
Yes, of course all the money you won belongs to you first. But many somehow do not see it that way. Even here in the forum you read examples of this kind quite often. "Got with my Deposit of 20€ only to a maximum of 100€, then all gone". But that is not necessarily a loss for me. The luck it needs to make from 20€ at all 100€, underestimate many here. I am also not someone who pays out every win directly, I also want to have my play time and hope for a higher win. But I would never complain if it went well and I even then gambled it all away again.
I also see it that way. If I put in 20 and gamble away 100, I have a loss of 20. It's simple. That's just the way it is. Nevertheless, I can gamble away the 100 in 10 minutes and that's what it's all about. This dishonesty, that one can lose only 60 the hour. Is simply an unserious and false statement. And that rubs off on the whole thing or better said on the halls.
That's how I see it too. If I throw in 20 and gamble 100 I have a loss of just 20. Simple as that. That's just the way it is. Nevertheless, I can perpetuate the 100 in 10 minutes. and only that is the point. This dishonesty, that one can lose only 60 the hour. Is simply an unserious and false statement. And that rubs off on the whole thing or better said on the halls.
But that's only the Tip of the iceberg. It starts much earlier. A game may only cost 20ct, must last 5 seconds and the maximum win is 2€. As every player knows, none of this applies. How nonsensical it is to call the booking process a "game", I don't have to explain in a players forum. The maximum loss of 60€ is still true somewhere. I cannot lose more than 60€ from my wallet. If you could only bet a maximum of 60€ per hour, playing would make no sense at all. Then one could turn on 10ct employment only 600 times, all the same whether one wins or not. That would be totally stupid
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Hello bones, how does it actually work as a lottery when booking? Just wondered a few times that sometimes I lose money when booking or posting back.
Harakiri wrote on 13/04/2019 at 11:22: Hello bones, how does it actually work as a lottery when booking? Just wondered a couple of times that sometimes I lose money when booking or posting back.
This is due to the ban on the points equivalent. In the past 1 cent was always 1 point. This is forbidden with TR5. Therefore 100 cents are today times 90, 100 or 110 cents
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Bone wrote on 04/12/2019 at 14:13 PM
But then that is at most the Tip of the iceberg. It starts much earlier than that. A game may only cost 20ct, must last 5 seconds and the maximum win is 2€. As every player knows, none of this applies. How nonsensical it is to call the booking process a "game", I don't have to explain in a players forum. The maximum loss of 60€ is still true somewhere. I cannot lose more than 60€ from my wallet. If you could only bet a maximum of 60€ per hour, playing would make no sense at all. Then one could turn on 10ct employment only 600 times, all the same whether one wins or not. That would be totally stupid.
So I can only think of one thing about the new regulation in Spielose and that is brown liquid and stinks ... No more words
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Maria_Sunday wrote on 04/15/2019 10:49 AM
Unseriös and wrong? Please show me a TR5 machine where you can use more than 60 EUR / hour.
You can lose more than 60 euros per hour at any TR 5 machine. You just can't bet more than 60 EUR per hour! If I have won e.g. 600 euros, I can also gamble them away again within an hour.
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I do think there is a difference. I used to see this so many times in the Spielo. Someone had 400€ on the machine, gambles on 2€ bet Book of Ra, gets free spins with A or K and gets no extension and only once 4 as a top win and complains loudly that this can not be. And then gambles it all away. And I always thought to myself, just pay out your 500€ and get out. It's not your fault if you lose at gambling. But you ARE to blame if you win at gambling and gamble away your win
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That's right. Still, it's my money - deposited or won, it doesn't matter - and therefore my loss. Whether I gamble it away or take it with me is my own business. I can lose more than 60 euros an hour at a machine, despite all the claims of the machine industry to the contrary. That is the point. There are no rules regarding the loss
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Yes, of course you own all the money you win. But many people don't see it that way. Also here in the forum one reads examples of this kind quite often. "Am with my Deposit of 20 € only up to a maximum of 100 €, then all gone". But that is not necessarily a loss for me. The luck it needs to make from 20€ at all 100€, underestimate many here. I am also not someone who pays out every win directly, I also want to have my play time and hope for a higher win. But I would never complain if it went well and I even then gambled it all away again
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I also see it that way. If I put in 20 and gamble away 100, I have a loss of 20. It's simple. That's just the way it is. Nevertheless, I can gamble away the 100 in 10 minutes and that's what it's all about. This dishonesty, that one can lose only 60 the hour. Is simply an unserious and false statement. And that rubs off on the whole thing or better said on the halls.
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But that's only the Tip of the iceberg. It starts much earlier. A game may only cost 20ct, must last 5 seconds and the maximum win is 2€. As every player knows, none of this applies. How nonsensical it is to call the booking process a "game", I don't have to explain in a players forum. The maximum loss of 60€ is still true somewhere. I cannot lose more than 60€ from my wallet. If you could only bet a maximum of 60€ per hour, playing would make no sense at all. Then one could turn on 10ct employment only 600 times, all the same whether one wins or not. That would be totally stupid
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Dishonest and false? Please show me a TR5 machine where you can use more than 60 EUR / hour
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This is due to the ban on the points equivalent. In the past 1 cent was always 1 point. This is forbidden with TR5. Therefore 100 cents are today times 90, 100 or 110 cents
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So I can only think of one thing about the new regulation in Spielose and that is brown liquid and stinks ... No more words
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You can lose more than 60 euros per hour at any TR 5 machine. You just can't bet more than 60 EUR per hour! If I have won e.g. 600 euros, I can also gamble them away again within an hour.
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