as you know, the gambling market in Germany has been regulated by the GGL for some time now and despite the financial disadvantages, we have consciously decided to adapt our offer to the new circumstances, on the one hand to set a good example and on the other hand to avert long-term damage to GambleJoe's image. The adjustments on the website will allow us to continue offering a safe platform for gambling enthusiasts in the years to come.
Of course, it has not escaped our attention that there are also members in the community who absolutely do not like the new casinos that are officially licensed in Germany.
We basically tolerate every personal opinion and do not censor our forum either. However, some posts in the forum, such as the quote "illegal = don't give a shit", have made us think, as we have to assume that newcomers to the forum also read along and could gain the impression from these statements that it is legally absolutely unproblematic to play in unlicensed casinos.
We then contacted our lawyers in Germany (who specialize in gambling law) and were told that, as platform operators, we can generally tolerate freedom of expression and that there is no legal basis for the authorities to intervene here.
Nevertheless, it is important to us that newcomers to our forum are informed about the legal situation accordingly.
From now on, it is possible for our team to mark individual forum posts that seem questionable to us, so that a yellow info box is displayed under the forum post.
The info box contains the following information: Note from GambleJoe: Free speech is important to us, however this forum post may contain controversial statements or advice that may violate gambling laws in Germany.
We would like to point out that this is not a censorship on the part of GambleJoe, the corresponding marking of a post is also not equivalent to a warning.
You can continue to talk openly in the forum - we only mark posts whose content we consider critical with regard to German gambling law.
By the way, the infobox is only displayed to readers from Germany in the corresponding posts. Readers from other countries will not see the infobox.
So I really understand your thought behind it but don't you think one or the other might feel a bit stupid by the marking ? Because with it the statement is somehow so criminalized
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22nd May. 2023, at 09:50 pm CEST#4
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Oh dear, I find that somehow quite funny. In the end, the decision is very subjective, if and when you attach such a yellow info box to a post.
Would it make more sense to show the infobox as soon as you find a post in a thread, which you would mark accordingly?
That way it would remain relatively open which posts you mean exactly and new ones would still be alerted to possible difficult opinions.
It looks as if GJ has already got one on the sack and now tries everything that the noose around the neck is not completely tightened.
By the third "yellow box" at the latest, even a new member no longer notices and overlooks the box.
Hopefully, the box has at least the desired "legal" effect and smoothes the waters somewhat.
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23rd May. 2023, at 07:46 am CEST#7
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Justin wrote on 05/23/2023 at 01:21: It sure looks like GJ has already really taken one on the chin and is now trying everything he can to keep the noose around his neck from being completely tightened.
I don't think so, what should be problematic about free speech as long as it adheres to certain guidelines?
Justin wrote on 23.05.2023 at 01:21: That looks quite as if GJ already got so right one on the bag and now tries everything that the noose around the neck is not completely tightened.
At the latest with the third "yellow box" notices also a new member no longer on it and overlooks the box.
Hopefully the box has at least the desired "legal" effect and smoothes the waters somewhat.
At this point, I would like to make it clear once again that the decision for the said info box was neither an order from the GGL nor a recommendation from our lawyers.
We are also not in trouble with the gambling authority, as we are fundamentally behind the idea of a regulated gambling market. However, we also believe that the regulated market must provide competitive offerings in the long term in order to achieve the purpose of the State Treaty on Gaming - "a rapid channeling from the illegal to the legal market".
As far as we are informed, the authorities are working towards this goal.
The implementation of the infobox was an own decision of the GambleJoe team, because we know that also newcomers inform themselves at GambleJoe and we don't want anyone to be animated to illegal gambling by forum posts of users. And since this idea was also found to be good by our lawyers, we implemented the infobox.
What you do in the end is up to you and also the forum shall remain a censorship free space for free entertainment.
I think it's okay what GJ does.
Sometimes quite questionable opinions and speculations are written.
But we have just freedom of speech and everyone can always express themselves as he wants it.
If GJ marks not founded statements, it serves nevertheless the own security and our also.
Newcomers are then also not unsettled.
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23rd May. 2023, at 12:23 pm CEST#10
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Matthias wrote on 23.05.2023 at 10:03 am:
I would like to make it very clear at this point that the decision for the said infobox was neither an order from GGL nor a recommendation from our lawyers.
We are also not in trouble with the gambling authority, as we are basically behind the idea of a regulated gambling market. However, we also believe that the regulated market must provide competitive offerings in the long term in order to achieve the purpose of the State Treaty on Gaming - "a rapid channeling from the illegal to the legal market".
As far as we are informed, the authorities are working towards this goal.
The implementation of the infobox was an own decision of the GambleJoe team, because we know that also newcomers inform themselves at GambleJoe and we don't want anyone to be animated to illegal gambling by forum posts of users. And since this idea was also found to be good by our lawyers, we implemented the infobox.
What you do in the end is up to you and also the forum shall remain a censorship free space for free entertainment.
If you say that. people will already believe it.
It's just funny that other sites don't do that or need that.
Of course it can't be because you shot yourselves in the foot. I remember a post how GJ has decadently ingratiated himself with the authority and so quasi the "pioneer" and the "prime example" for others want to be... others would say you have been backstabber with this approach.
However you presented yourselves to the (at that time not yet functioning and completely clueless authority) on the silver platter and obviously got their attention... even if not in such a way, as you imagined it. The shot backfired just as obviously, if one can believe coworkers of other platforms so much, how one is to believe you here...
As I said, I hope the noose does not tighten further and you get off with a black eye!
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23rd May. 2023, at 12:40 pm CEST#11
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Justin wrote on 05/23/2023 at 12:23 PM:
If you say that. people will believe it already.
It's just funny that other sites don'tr do that or need it.
Of course it can't be because you shot yourselves in the foot. I remember a post how GJ has decadently ingratiated himself with the authority and so quasi the "pioneer" and the "prime example" for others want to be... others would say you have been backstabber with this approach.
However you presented yourselves to the (at that time not yet functioning and completely clueless authority) on the silver platter and obviously got their attention... even if not in such a way, as you imagined it. The shot backfired just as obviously, if one can believe coworkers of other platforms so much, how one is to believe you here...
As I said, I hope the noose does not tighten further and you get off with a black eye!
I suspect rather if there is a deeper meaning the team has taken the TP ratings times to heart because there every other writes about the evil forum with the illegal tips and of course the moderators with an iron fist but protect their regular users and tolerate it all
Why should GJ make a secret of it if the authority there with zutun would they have told us but also openly that they change the page just because of this precautionary apart from that the authority is but currently more joke than anything else they are so overwhelmed because simply the people are missing and I hope times the slowly come to a point where you can classify them as functioning
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23rd May. 2023, at 12:48 pm CEST#12
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gamble1 wrote on 23.05.2023 at 12:40 pm:
I guess rather if there is a deeper meaning the team has taken the TP ratings times to heart because there every second writes about the evil forum with the illegal tips and of course the moderators who protect with an iron fist but their regular users and tolerate it all
Why should GJ make a secret of it if the authority there with zutun would they have told us but also openly that they change the page just because of this precautionary apart from that the authority is but currently more joke than anything else they are so overwhelmed because simply the people are missing and I hope times the slowly come to a point where you can classify them as functioning
You are also a mouse,
first you think, the statements get a criminal touch by the GJ action
and now you support this action.
From you should become one time smart
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23rd May. 2023, at 12:54 pm CEST#13
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gamble1 wrote on 23.05.2023 at 12:40 pm:
I guess rather if there is a deeper meaning the team has taken the TP ratings times to heart because there every second writes about the evil forum with the illegal tips and of course the moderators who protect with an iron fist but their regular users and tolerate it all
Why should GJ make a secret of it if the authority there with zutun would they have us but also openly said that they change the page just because of this precautionary apart from that the authority is but currently more joke than anything else they are so overwhelmed because simply the people are missing and I hope times the slowly come to a point where you can classify them as functioning
you bring it to the point... on the one hand Matthias tries for 2 weeks to play the saint and lick a little GGL saliva, (one of his other posts was pretty much the most ridiculous thing he has ever given here to the best) on the other hand mediate GJ employees with full force between users and (in Germany) illegal casinos. This will soon become a shot in the next knee.
So great the work of Caro and the anderne is. The GGL then sees the now (seemingly) holy Matthias, while in the background the "rest of the gang" deals with the illegal casinos and makes business.
Dancing on two weddings will not work.... soooo stupid is the GGL meanwhile also no longer
Whether the authority knows Gamblejoe at all? Outside of the micro-gaming (addicted) bubble, no one knows the site anyway.
For the work of the GGL, the forum here is actually totally irrelevant.
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23rd May. 2023, at 01:16 pm CEST#15
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Begbie wrote on 23.05.2023 at 13:02: Whether the authority knows Gamblejoe at all? Outside of the micro game (addict) bubble nobody knows the site anyway.
For the work of the GGL the forum here is actually totally irrelevant.
With the last sentence you are probably right.
But as GJ has ingratiated itself at the time with the GGL and thus all others has tried to shoot in the back has brought them in the middle of the desk of the GGL and is in comparison with Catena or GiG Media really a small light but also perfect to statuieren an example, how hard one in the future also against Affiliates tackles.
BTW, Malta casinos now (partly) get money back from affiliates if they lose in court in Germany or have to pay back coal to the German customer in a settlement. (belongs in the other thread, but I'm too lazy).
anyway, that's it for this topic from me. I hope that GJ gets out of this with a black eye.
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as you know, the gambling market in Germany has been regulated by the GGL for some time now and despite the financial disadvantages, we have consciously decided to adapt our offer to the new circumstances, on the one hand to set a good example and on the other hand to avert long-term damage to GambleJoe's image. The adjustments on the website will allow us to continue offering a safe platform for gambling enthusiasts in the years to come.
Of course, it has not escaped our attention that there are also members in the community who absolutely do not like the new casinos that are officially licensed in Germany.
We basically tolerate every personal opinion and do not censor our forum either. However, some posts in the forum, such as the quote "illegal = don't give a shit", have made us think, as we have to assume that newcomers to the forum also read along and could gain the impression from these statements that it is legally absolutely unproblematic to play in unlicensed casinos.
We then contacted our lawyers in Germany (who specialize in gambling law) and were told that, as platform operators, we can generally tolerate freedom of expression and that there is no legal basis for the authorities to intervene here.
Nevertheless, it is important to us that newcomers to our forum are informed about the legal situation accordingly.
From now on, it is possible for our team to mark individual forum posts that seem questionable to us, so that a yellow info box is displayed under the forum post.
The info box contains the following information:
Note from GambleJoe: Free speech is important to us, however this forum post may contain controversial statements or advice that may violate gambling laws in Germany.
We would like to point out that this is not a censorship on the part of GambleJoe, the corresponding marking of a post is also not equivalent to a warning.
You can continue to talk openly in the forum - we only mark posts whose content we consider critical with regard to German gambling law.
By the way, the infobox is only displayed to readers from Germany in the corresponding posts. Readers from other countries will not see the infobox.
Best regards
The GambleJoe Team
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Would it make more sense to show the infobox as soon as you find a post in a thread, which you would mark accordingly?
That way it would remain relatively open which posts you mean exactly and new ones would still be alerted to possible difficult opinions.
I hope it's clear what I mean.
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By the third "yellow box" at the latest, even a new member no longer notices and overlooks the box.
Hopefully, the box has at least the desired "legal" effect and smoothes the waters somewhat.
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I don't think so, what should be problematic about free speech as long as it adheres to certain guidelines?
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At this point, I would like to make it clear once again that the decision for the said info box was neither an order from the GGL nor a recommendation from our lawyers.
We are also not in trouble with the gambling authority, as we are fundamentally behind the idea of a regulated gambling market. However, we also believe that the regulated market must provide competitive offerings in the long term in order to achieve the purpose of the State Treaty on Gaming - "a rapid channeling from the illegal to the legal market".
As far as we are informed, the authorities are working towards this goal.
The implementation of the infobox was an own decision of the GambleJoe team, because we know that also newcomers inform themselves at GambleJoe and we don't want anyone to be animated to illegal gambling by forum posts of users. And since this idea was also found to be good by our lawyers, we implemented the infobox.
What you do in the end is up to you and also the forum shall remain a censorship free space for free entertainment.
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Sometimes quite questionable opinions and speculations are written.
But we have just freedom of speech and everyone can always express themselves as he wants it.
If GJ marks not founded statements, it serves nevertheless the own security and our also.
Newcomers are then also not unsettled.
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If you say that. people will already believe it.
It's just funny that other sites don't do that or need that.
Of course it can't be because you shot yourselves in the foot. I remember a post how GJ has decadently ingratiated himself with the authority and so quasi the "pioneer" and the "prime example" for others want to be... others would say you have been backstabber with this approach.
However you presented yourselves to the (at that time not yet functioning and completely clueless authority) on the silver platter and obviously got their attention... even if not in such a way, as you imagined it. The shot backfired just as obviously, if one can believe coworkers of other platforms so much, how one is to believe you here...
As I said, I hope the noose does not tighten further and you get off with a black eye!
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I suspect rather if there is a deeper meaning the team has taken the TP ratings times to heart because there every other writes about the evil forum with the illegal tips and of course the moderators with an iron fist but protect their regular users and tolerate it all
Why should GJ make a secret of it if the authority there with zutun would they have told us but also openly that they change the page just because of this precautionary apart from that the authority is but currently more joke than anything else they are so overwhelmed because simply the people are missing and I hope times the slowly come to a point where you can classify them as functioning
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You are also a mouse,
first you think, the statements get a criminal touch by the GJ action
and now you support this action.
From you should become one time smart
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you bring it to the point... on the one hand Matthias tries for 2 weeks to play the saint and lick a little GGL saliva, (one of his other posts was pretty much the most ridiculous thing he has ever given here to the best) on the other hand mediate GJ employees with full force between users and (in Germany) illegal casinos. This will soon become a shot in the next knee.
So great the work of Caro and the anderne is. The GGL then sees the now (seemingly) holy Matthias, while in the background the "rest of the gang" deals with the illegal casinos and makes business.
Dancing on two weddings will not work.... soooo stupid is the GGL meanwhile also no longer
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For the work of the GGL, the forum here is actually totally irrelevant.
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With the last sentence you are probably right.
But as GJ has ingratiated itself at the time with the GGL and thus all others has tried to shoot in the back has brought them in the middle of the desk of the GGL and is in comparison with Catena or GiG Media really a small light but also perfect to statuieren an example, how hard one in the future also against Affiliates tackles.
BTW, Malta casinos now (partly) get money back from affiliates if they lose in court in Germany or have to pay back coal to the German customer in a settlement. (belongs in the other thread, but I'm too lazy).
anyway, that's it for this topic from me. I hope that GJ gets out of this with a black eye.
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