Project idea for Gamblejoe or Gambler, as insurance for the 0,00€...
25th Feb. 2020, at 01:32 am CET#1
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Good evening dear community,
my partner and I like to gamble for quite a while now.
Meanwhile we are a good team and manage every month with flying colors.
The intention of my thread is the following
We both have had good and bad experiences, as probably each of you.
Especially the bad times were a lesson to us and we have acquired a kind of backup-safe system so that we don't have to suffer from hunger one day.
With hard times (long ago, but yes, addiction and blindness though smarter than a monkey ...) I mean (transparency for you)
2 months no electricity
rent arrears
etc.
In our best times we had 5 digit amounts left and could feed us very well for months (besides the normal job and life and all costs incurred) and even afford one or the other.
We have learned a lot in all that time and since I am a person who likes to share experiences, I can only guess how it may be one or the other of you (from my own experiences), if in the middle or even the beginning of the month no money is left for living or bills take on utopian proportions, because not paid.
Since I have enormous respect for online gaming, I can imagine that in an emergency situation (addiction >= money) there are not many places to go to help you, because you are immediately labeled as an "addict".
Consequently, one talks i.d.R. with like-minded people who can help you then maybe, if just "the 10er is left".
How often do you hear "On the 1st ALG 1 or 2, salary received, on the 2nd ALL AWAY".
What can one do then?
Who helps one?
What help/starting points are there at all (apart from addiction institutions, which probably brand you for the future).
Of course you can make it easy for yourself, go to the social welfare office and come up with a story (e.g. at rent debts), WHY you need help right now.
However, one can use these means only once (research, have me intensively with the topic ausseinanders setzen).
I am a computer scientist and have been working as a web developer for almost 20 years, specializing in this field, and have been self-employed since 2009.
Over the years I have acquired know-how and my customers included Vodafone and other major players, which I could serve alone through existing components (frameworks, something like a "template" for languages; Instead of developing a car from scratch, as a basis already use a model that is present in each car, eg: 4 tires).
Since I don't know how my idea will be received and also don't want to write too much so that it will be read, here is my idea:
A platform u.o. Contact point create; Gladly also in the name of Gamblejoe (non-profit, like the Paysafecard thing, I find by the way great class!) EXCLUSIVE; the Gambler can use in an emergency (While preserving the personality, without conditions, non-profit), which is self-supporting through donations or bonus systems.
By bonus system I mean specifically:
Who of you has Skrill?
Muchbetter?
N26?
Curve?
Insha, Fidor and how they are not all called?
Everyone knows that if you recruit someone, there is monetize
Some posts I could find as spam often here
Deleted shortly after
Users sign up new for spam and then have to be manually deleted again (This is bad).
Not to mention the shitstorm that follows shortly after.
Example of Bonuses, using Insha
We create a referrerchain (only for Gamblejoe + real users), under certain conditions.
A link is given, used and marked as "used"
The user who uses this link receives a personal invitation code, which then serves as the basis for the following one.
So the recruiter/recruited wins 15,00€ and 2 weeks later the recruited again 15,00€ for the next user.
Extrapolation (All theory)
Let's say we find 10 users who want to participate.
1..10 Link = 15,00€ (advertiser) + 15,00€ (recruited)
That makes together over the entire period 300,00€
If it is built transparently (taking into account the personality of course) there are no shitstorms (almost none, there are always complainers and Viennese).
Follow-up idea for step 2
A backup backup system what runs and works (I'll stick to the example: "Under the flag of Gamblejoe"), could be used for casinos as a kind of "greenplay" feature.
For sure there will be casinos that would join, but controllers in these monetary dimensions are very straight, but usually very forward-looking and future-oriented.
Because in the gambling sector it is not so that for every customer who falls away 10 new ones are waiting (see the development of the last two years, which EVERYONE of you has noticed, but no one can explain)
Casinos eat each other, change owners but keep the "good name" and if it goes on like this there will be in the near future (if no STOP occurs across countries in techn. Art) only a handful of owners, but every day new 0815 casinos, with 4.9/5 stars or 9.x of 10 points, with the label e.g. "Established since 2008".
Most platforms are bought *skgamblers or *reespinx, where the price/money, determines the lists (I don't have that feeling with Gamblejoe by the way. Here I have the impression that they always try to create a neutral content that should reach you/us).
I would like to work in my spare time together with a team or alone in the development, open source (so that everyone can see that goal No. 1 should be the people, not profit).
Maybe you can find like-minded people with great ideas or people who want to participate?
I would like to give this topic as a basis for the kick-off and would like to ask you to respond to it proactively and constructively, or simply ignore it.
Short and sweet.... If you don't have money, you shouldn't gamble at all, and I don't think you should support it. The pathological gambling addict learns it anyway only through self-knowledge or through total financial ruin. I buy but also no alcoholic ne bottle of liquor so that he is always nice and drunk over the month 🙄
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Project idea for Gamblejoe or Gambler, as insurance for the 0,00€...
@dsp84, really very well written, I know exactly what you mean.
I had in the past (about 10 years ago) even some websites from various commercial areas (no sex, no gaming!) And there can be made with commission for customer advertising, bonus system a lot.
There are also now already various Affiliate sites (also German) where players can recruit new players again.
I also find it very interesting to build your own downline as a player with several ref levels where you can even live if it goes well.
But here at Gamblejoe there is a decisive disadvantage:
Gamblejoe explicitly forbids advertising for own purposes via referral links.
It is also not desired here to spread own bonus offers of casinos and to collect commissions as a player.
The reason is simple:
Gamblejoe would harm itself by doing so. Gamblejoe also employs staff and needs money for the Paysafecard and Christmas calendar promotions and these are many thousands of euros annually.
Therefore, the site operators do not want to support third-party advertising, because the portal lives on the members only through the Gamblejoe affiliate links as players register with casinos.
So seen good idea from you, but the website operators would probably lose their own income...... ... ...
Project idea for Gamblejoe or Gambler, as insurance for the 0,00€...
25th Feb. 2020, at 11:34 am CET#4
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Well, I don't know exactly what you mean:
I understand it in such a way: Users recruit themselves mutually for any service providers which pay for it premiums. These premiums should then all pay into a fund that is managed by GJ. And who has gambled away his money, should then be able to apply for help from the Pot or ask for it?
I think that
1. The number of really active users who would also participate in something like this is relatively limited
2. The payment into the pot would probably not happen with many. Would you then delete them from the advertising system, you would have even fewer who participate.
3. Would there be huge discussions and bickering, who gets the help. The pot would be empty 3x as fast as you could fill it
4. What gamer 777 said
Or you mean rather that the whole should be for participants a small zuverdienst if he is broke. But then I have to say: The money would be gambled away from the beginning just like all other money. And then the person stands there broke again.
Should it witklich lie in your intention, gambling without kohle to help out (which I doubt) then funzt that so with certainty not!
Incidentally, it would bring the hartefalle rather to verzickon everything and ask for help. Completely wrong message I would say times!
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25th Feb. 2020, at 01:51 pm CET#5
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I understand your arguments and would like to respond to each post without much ado and hope that I do not step on anyone's toes (not meant badly, if it comes across obliquely).
@mk5jas
Agree with you in all arguments. Especially the example with the alcoholic fits. Of course, I wasn't thinking of encouraging addictive behavior that is life-denying for the user in question.
A control instance for this that perfectly or approximately fulfills that would also be technically too costly and would fizzle out quite quickly, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
"Pathological Gambling addicts", you say something.
You can't help everyone.
Maybe I just have internalized a different way of looking at things and different experiences that make me do this (although it is totally AGAINST my experiences and ambitions, because primarily I have other worries ).
I personally could NOT find a reasonable contact point in the internet so far which combines basic life-affirming things with such a powerful topic and does not only act selfishly.
Perhaps an example from a project will help:
I had to bundle technical steps. Automate
Human, customer and end user was ALWAYS the knockout factor.
Therefore all masks had to be self understanding, if possible without "understanding" autodidactically.
At that time in a project with Vodafone this was the most important point.
According to statistics (at that time) cross-country every 5th truck/remote driver had an Android smartphone
Almost everyone had an Apple device
Masks and vorallem legal security in court (in DE), looked there as follows:
Reduce lingual and interactive options to a minimum. (Where there is no X to close, nothing is lost).
Where an answer possibility could be mapped legally secure by the formulation of a question (without the intelligence of the user) and there was no law regulating this, there was something like (sorry, it really was):
"You have a game accident. Who do you contact first?"
1. Answer: Butcher of trust
2. Answer .....
This is the kind I try to reconcile thankfully with gambling.
Not just for me, I don't really need software for that
But if there is and it helps, the help that is offered to me is more solid
@Gamer777:
Interesting, also come from the erotic.
Had to smile while reading and wondered if there is someone from saveNtrust / 777livecams behind your nick
You address a very important point to me with GambleJoe.
It is very important to me that GambleJoe is not ignored, but rather fully involved/integrated (if there is interest) and does not get in hot water with further legal requirements/tasks that need to be fulfilled.
Nowadays there are countless free/cheap collaboration suites (Git, Jira, Coding Conventions, Unit Tests and Scrum techniques) that are very easy to use and can cover all organs of a company.
In my entire career I had countless projects, but only sobering TWO projects that brought both the customer and the company sustainable relief / cost savings (UVV = accident prevention regulations (BSPW: How must goods be tied in the truck), law.... and software that helps small businesses in the catering industry (mostly family businesses with heart and soul) to exist in today's time).
In the erotic sector, I had to watch every day as family heads spent everything with the aim of finding love (cruel, which is why I left!).
I understand about the third-party advertising. My description with the referral chain was only meant as an example.
There are infinite possibilities that could be used to pay out legally secure premiums or as a kind of underlying "insurance".
Building up assets or their management, I was not thinking of that in principle.
Rather something that would be easy to trade (cash in cash out, like the FiFo ).
No Pot = 99% less support.
Or something API moderate (If a basis is created as for example *skgamblers with the AG-Coins, where casinos have direct access and an autonomous process can be mapped).
I take the "POTT" term as a basis:
Pott = pool of users who voluntarily (no matter what form) want to participate in the principle.
Without contract and commitment with the possibility to deduct IMMEDIATELY made payments (if there are any then), e.g. with MuchBetter, through an automated process + their API (which is pretty cool).
Autonomous operation.
Personally, I would voluntarily give away something from every spin in any casino that certifiedly mapped / implemented a technical process (checked by automated tests, of course)
Just out of pure self-preservation instinct and the consistently bad experiences (scary how you can get lost in gambling) and would then be very happy to be able to retrieve a sum X somewhere (like a kind of global cashback).
My personal experience has shown how quickly you flash yourself with in/out balance of your own current account where (although the Gehald was only at 4000) was >=30,000 in, >= 30,000 out
Soberly seen understandable why Mr.Green at that time made a "Royal" from my membership
Do not know how your / your experiences are there.
@Stromberg
Yes, an example would be bonuses. Out of nothing I make with my life partner monthly on average 50-100,00€ EXTRA, just by (pardon the expression) slut hopping any offers.
I advertise you, you me etc... Everywhere there are Mastercards, Easy (Really easier than I thought. before gambling I always had only ONE account ).
re 1:
For perspective, it reads easy. I think we all agree that to date the options are kept very simple. That's why I absolutely understand your reasoning
I'm not a magician or artist and so far everything is just a basic idea, I myself don't want to help everyone anyway, have countless things on my agenda that I still have to fix myself
Nevertheless I have a question about this (even if I don't have a solution yet):
If it was so far, it must be far he so?
I have learned that everything is possible. If there is no more door through which you can go, there can still be hidden doors that you can find and use (Exaggerated example: THROUGH THE WALL, instead of in front of a closed door, Or this Facebook picture where symbolically something like "Everyone said it does not work! Then one came and just did it!").
Where there is no door and no one can help, there can still be ways and things that you can use and walk through that are right in front of your nose.
Where 100 people go the conventional way and (mirror image of the world and unfortunately all Dr. Dr. Dr. of mathematics and computer science I had to meet ) come at the smallest deviation in the whirl and gasp
I was a lateral entrant and no one told me "don't go"
Into the cold water, 6 years submarine in Malaysia / France / Spain and solutions created. Back in Germany standing ovation, at that time I did not understand. Today I always have to shake my head at something like that.
Because for me, life (in all areas) means change.
Addendum (Another example of Bonuses / money what is lying around on the Internet would be everywhere):
Smartphone mobile games.
Sounds totally stupid and far-fetched, but that alone gives me more than 20€ per month to buy a free Paysafecard without investing much time.
Project idea for Gamblejoe or Gambler, as insurance for the 0,00€...
25th Feb. 2020, at 01:52 pm CET#6
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Stromberg wrote on 25.02.2020 at 11:34 am: So I somehow do not know exactly what you mean:
But I understand it like this: Users recruit each other for any service providers who pay premiums for it. These premiums should then all pay into a fund that is managed by GJ. And who has gambled away his money, should then be able to apply for help from the Pot or ask for it?
I think that
1. The number of really active users who would also participate in something like this is relatively limited
2. The payment into the pot would probably not happen with many. If you would then delete them from the advertising system, you would have even fewer who participate.
3. Would there be huge discussions and bickering, who gets the help. The pot would be empty 3x as fast as you could fill it
4. What gamer 777 said
Or you mean rather that the whole for participants a small zuverdienst should be, if he is broke. But then I have to say: The money would be gambled away from the beginning just like all other money. And then the person stands there broke again.
Should it witklich lie in your intention, gambling without kohle to help out (which I doubt) then funzt that so with certainty not!
Incidentally, it would bring the hartefalle rather to verzickon everything and ask for help. Completely wrong message I would say times!
I see similar, financial help goes in the wrong direction, if possible with vouchers for a food supplier, but even there already seen that is then traded.
And then there is also the matter of trust and mistrust. Why does the get something from the pot and I do not, etc. it would only burden the forum more than the PSC actions.
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25th Feb. 2020, at 01:56 pm CET#7
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Kleinkariert wrote on 25.02.2020 at 13:52
I see similar, financial aid goes in the wrong direction, if possible with vouchers for a food supplier, but even there already seen that is then traded.
And then there is also the matter of trust and mistrust. Why does the get something from the Pot and I do not, etc. it would only burden the forum more than the PSC actions.
Awesome! I forgot about that.
Yesterday with my girlfriend still talked about it.
Lieferandogutscheine or food delivered.
Without having to compete.
And if no basis there, then once nothing to munch (as experience) could already be enough to act with foresight
Most have themselves somehow not under control or the necessary tools / the know-how and succumb themselves with thoughts and hopes and the chemical cocktail (what the brain in this addiction) pay out (or break off constantly and do not get a cent).
I haven't read through everything now, but I hope I understand the rough idea behind it. However, I can already see a small error.
You and your girlfriend know each other, like each other (hopefully) and have a certain sense of responsibility to each other. But this responsibility is hard to establish with anonymous forum members. I'm sure I'm the first to agree with collectivization and mutual aid. Even if this means that some have less than usual and some have more, I still think it's a good thing. I just do not think that works here or finds any appeal
As has been said many times, GambleJoe does not like to see foreign Ref links here. That would also be a big problem
And then there's another point. Anyone who actually plays more than they can afford has a gambling problem. That person can and should be helped, but not by making up their Debt or giving them a way to get by until next month. Anyone who gambles so much that they can't afford to eat afterwards is a gambling addict and needs professional help, preferably inpatient therapy. Personally, I am not willing to financially enable a stranger's Gambling addiction
dsp84 wrote on 25.02.2020 at 13:51: I understand your arguments and would like to respond to each post without much ado and hope that I do not step on anyone's toes (no offense, if it comes across obliquely).
@mk5jas
Agree with you in all arguments. Especially the example with the alcoholic fits. Of course, I wasn't thinking of encouraging addictive behavior that is life-denying for the user in question.
A control instance for this that perfectly or approximately fulfills that would also be technically too costly and would fizzle out quite quickly, I agree with you completely.
"Pathological Gambling addicts", you say something.
You can't help everyone.
Maybe I just have internalized a different way of looking at things and different experiences that make me do this (although it is totally AGAINST my experiences and ambitions, because primarily I have other worries ).
I personally could NOT find a reasonable contact point in the Internet so far which unites basic life-affirming things with such a powerful topic in itself and does not act only selfishly.
Perhaps an example from a project will help:
I had to bundle technical steps. Automate
Human, customer and end user was ALWAYS the knockout factor.
Therefore all masks had to be self understanding, if possible without "understanding" autodidactically.
At that time in a project with Vodafone this was the most important point.
According to statistics (at that time) cross-country every 5th truck/remote driver had an Android smartphone
Almost everyone had an Apple device
Masks and vorallem legal security in court (in DE), looked there as follows:
Reduce lingual and interactive options to a minimum. (Where there is no X to close, nothing is lost).
Where an answer possibility could be mapped legally secure by the formulation of a question (without the intelligence of the user) and there was no law regulating this, there was something like (sorry, it really was):
"You have a game accident. Who do you contact first?"
1. Answer: Butcher of trust
2. Answer .....
This is the kind I try to reconcile thankfully with gambling.
Not just for me, I don't really need software for that
But if there is and it helps, the help that is offered to me is more solid
@Gamer777:
Interesting, also come from the erotic.
Had to smile while reading and wondered if there is someone from saveNtrust / 777livecams behind your nick
You address a very important point to me with GambleJoe.
It is very important to me that GambleJoe is not ignored, but rather fully involved/integrated (if there is interest) and does not get in hot water with further legal requirements/tasks that need to be fulfilled.
Nowadays there are countless free/cheap collaboration suites (Git, Jira, Coding Conventions, Unit Tests and Scrum techniques) that are very easy to use and can cover all organs of a company.
In my entire career I had countless projects, but only sobering TWO projects that brought both the customer and the company sustainable relief / cost savings (UVV = accident prevention regulations (BSPW: How must goods be tied in the truck), law.... and software that helps small businesses in the catering industry (mostly family businesses with heart and soul) to exist in today's time).
In the erotic sector, I had to watch every day as family heads spent everything with the aim of finding love (cruel, which is why I left!).
I understand about the third-party advertising. My description with the referral chain was only meant as an example.
There are infinite possibilities that could be used to pay out legally secure premiums or as a kind of underlying "insurance".
Building up assets or their management, I was not thinking of that in principle.
Rather something that would be easy to trade (cash in cash out, like the FiFo ).
No Pot = 99% less support.
Or something API moderate (Provided a basis is created as for example with *skgamblers with the AG-Coins, where casinos have direct access and an autonomous process can be mapped).
I take the "POTT" term as a basis:
Pott = pool of users who voluntarily (no matter what form) want to participate in the principle.
Without contract and commitment with the possibility to deduct IMMEDIATELY made payments (if there are any then), e.g. with MuchBetter, through an automated process + their API (which is pretty cool).
Autonomous operation.
Personally, I would voluntarily give away something from each spin in any casino that certified mapped / implemented a technical process (checked by automated tests, of course)
Just out of pure self-preservation instinct and the consistently bad experiences (scary how you can get lost in gambling) and would then be very happy to be able to retrieve a sum X somewhere (like a kind of global cashback).
My personal experience has shown how quickly you flash yourself with in/out balance of your own current account where (although the Gehald was only at 4000) was >=30,000 in, >= 30,000 out
Soberly seen understandable why Mr.Green at that time made a "Royal" from my membership
Do not know how your / your experiences are there.
@Stromberg
Yes, an example would be bonuses. Out of nothing I make with my life partner monthly on average 50-100,00€ EXTRA, just by (pardon the expression) slut hopping any offers.
I advertise you, you me etc... Everywhere there are Mastercards, Easy (Really easier than I thought. before gambling I always had only ONE account ).
re 1:
For perspective, it reads easy. I think we all agree that to date the options are kept very simple. That's why I absolutely understand your reasoning
I'm not a magician or artist and so far everything is just a basic idea, I myself do not want to help everyone anyway, have countless things on my agenda that I still have to fix myself
Nevertheless I have a question about this (even if I don't have a solution yet):
If it was so far, it must be far he so?
I have learned that everything is possible. If there is no more door through which you can go, there can still be hidden doors that you can find and use (Exaggerated example: THROUGH THE WALL, instead of in front of a closed door, Or this Facebook picture where symbolically something like "Everyone said it does not work! Then one came and just did it!").
Where there is no door and no one can help, there can still be paths and things that you can use and walk through that are right in front of your nose.
Where 100 people go the conventional way and (mirror image of the world and unfortunately all Dr. Dr. Dr. of mathematics and computer science I had to get to know ) at the smallest deviation come to a standstill and gasp for air
I was a lateral entrant and no one told me "don't go"
Into the cold water, 6 years submarine in Malaysia / France / Spain and solutions created. Back in Germany standing ovation, at that time I did not understand. Today I always have to shake my head at something like that.
Because for me, life (in all areas) means change.
Addendum (Another example of Bonuses / money what is lying around on the Internet would be everywhere):
Smartphone mobile games.
Sounds totally stupid and far-fetched, but that alone gives me more than 20€ per month to buy a free Paysafecard without investing much time.
If you want to give your data to all kinds of companies for 50 to 100 euros please, I don't want it
Why nothing should change? Because it is a gamblers forum. And I would bet that many do not change when it comes to gambling money...
But please tell me again what exactly your intention is : do you want to create a hilfefond for burnt out gamblers?as you first presented it
or do you want to find as many people as possible to recruit each other customers?
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26th Feb. 2020, at 12:11 pm CET#10
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well, maybe you are the exception, but most people here are already registered in 2000 casinos anyway. and if you want to protect your data, you don't have to participate.
apart from that, the TE is right: the money is everywhere on the internet. be it cryptocurrency, payback systems, registration Bonuses or or or. but you have to know that it exists and where you can find it. not so easy, I think. and you need people especially for the recommendation stories. leaving the gambling aside: how often have i been annoyed about the fact that the potential of such offers is not recognized and therefore one doesn't get ahead oneself.but, example cb, it's just a matter of watching a few videos and pocketing money. defacto for nothing. but because the majority doesn't know that and generally considers cryptos to be dubious, in the best case it's declined with thanks, in the bad it's shouted fraud or suspected that the other wants to "enrich" himself.
and besides gambling addicts, there should also be people who perhaps don't earn so horrendously much. and so would have the opportunity to have a few extra eurons in their pockets. and without much effort and maybe do the second job on the weekend
and in my opinion, what they do with it is ultimately their business. i don't think much of the educational mission (as far as adults are concerned).
@ dsp84: that you with player background and sypmpathie for the GJ side here this offer start is more than understandable, but I think you have here in the end more (not target) communication than you can be dear.
perhaps an independent platform would make more sense? in any case, I see the vision behind the idea and a lot of potential.
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my partner and I like to gamble for quite a while now.
Meanwhile we are a good team and manage every month with flying colors.
The intention of my thread is the following
We both have had good and bad experiences, as probably each of you.
Especially the bad times were a lesson to us and we have acquired a kind of backup-safe system so that we don't have to suffer from hunger one day.
With hard times (long ago, but yes, addiction and blindness though smarter than a monkey ...) I mean (transparency for you)
In our best times we had 5 digit amounts left and could feed us very well for months (besides the normal job and life and all costs incurred) and even afford one or the other.
We have learned a lot in all that time and since I am a person who likes to share experiences, I can only guess how it may be one or the other of you (from my own experiences), if in the middle or even the beginning of the month no money is left for living or bills take on utopian proportions, because not paid.
Since I have enormous respect for online gaming, I can imagine that in an emergency situation (addiction >= money) there are not many places to go to help you, because you are immediately labeled as an "addict".
Consequently, one talks i.d.R. with like-minded people who can help you then maybe, if just "the 10er is left".
How often do you hear "On the 1st ALG 1 or 2, salary received, on the 2nd ALL AWAY".
Of course you can make it easy for yourself, go to the social welfare office and come up with a story (e.g. at rent debts), WHY you need help right now.
However, one can use these means only once (research, have me intensively with the topic ausseinanders setzen).
I am a computer scientist and have been working as a web developer for almost 20 years, specializing in this field, and have been self-employed since 2009.
Over the years I have acquired know-how and my customers included Vodafone and other major players, which I could serve alone through existing components (frameworks, something like a "template" for languages; Instead of developing a car from scratch, as a basis already use a model that is present in each car, eg: 4 tires).
Since I don't know how my idea will be received and also don't want to write too much so that it will be read, here is my idea:
A platform u.o. Contact point create; Gladly also in the name of Gamblejoe (non-profit, like the Paysafecard thing, I find by the way great class!) EXCLUSIVE; the Gambler can use in an emergency (While preserving the personality, without conditions, non-profit), which is self-supporting through donations or bonus systems.
By bonus system I mean specifically:
Who of you has Skrill?
Muchbetter?
N26?
Curve?
Insha, Fidor and how they are not all called?
Everyone knows that if you recruit someone, there is monetize
Some posts I could find as spam often here
Deleted shortly after
Users sign up new for spam and then have to be manually deleted again (This is bad).
Not to mention the shitstorm that follows shortly after.
Example of Bonuses, using Insha
We create a referrerchain (only for Gamblejoe + real users), under certain conditions.
A link is given, used and marked as "used"
The user who uses this link receives a personal invitation code, which then serves as the basis for the following one.
So the recruiter/recruited wins 15,00€ and 2 weeks later the recruited again 15,00€ for the next user.
Extrapolation (All theory)
Let's say we find 10 users who want to participate.
1..10 Link = 15,00€ (advertiser) + 15,00€ (recruited)
That makes together over the entire period 300,00€
If it is built transparently (taking into account the personality of course) there are no shitstorms (almost none, there are always complainers and Viennese).
Follow-up idea for step 2
A backup backup system what runs and works (I'll stick to the example: "Under the flag of Gamblejoe"), could be used for casinos as a kind of "greenplay" feature.
For sure there will be casinos that would join, but controllers in these monetary dimensions are very straight, but usually very forward-looking and future-oriented.
Because in the gambling sector it is not so that for every customer who falls away 10 new ones are waiting (see the development of the last two years, which EVERYONE of you has noticed, but no one can explain)
Casinos eat each other, change owners but keep the "good name" and if it goes on like this there will be in the near future (if no STOP occurs across countries in techn. Art) only a handful of owners, but every day new 0815 casinos, with 4.9/5 stars or 9.x of 10 points, with the label e.g. "Established since 2008".
Most platforms are bought *skgamblers or *reespinx, where the price/money, determines the lists (I don't have that feeling with Gamblejoe by the way. Here I have the impression that they always try to create a neutral content that should reach you/us).
I would like to work in my spare time together with a team or alone in the development, open source (so that everyone can see that goal No. 1 should be the people, not profit).
Maybe you can find like-minded people with great ideas or people who want to participate?
I would like to give this topic as a basis for the kick-off and would like to ask you to respond to it proactively and constructively, or simply ignore it.
Thanks a lot!
Best regards from beautiful Kassel,
David
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I had in the past (about 10 years ago) even some websites from various commercial areas (no sex, no gaming!) And there can be made with commission for customer advertising, bonus system a lot.
There are also now already various Affiliate sites (also German) where players can recruit new players again.
I also find it very interesting to build your own downline as a player with several ref levels where you can even live if it goes well.
But here at Gamblejoe there is a decisive disadvantage:
Gamblejoe explicitly forbids advertising for own purposes via referral links.
It is also not desired here to spread own bonus offers of casinos and to collect commissions as a player.
The reason is simple:
Gamblejoe would harm itself by doing so. Gamblejoe also employs staff and needs money for the Paysafecard and Christmas calendar promotions and these are many thousands of euros annually.
Therefore, the site operators do not want to support third-party advertising, because the portal lives on the members only through the Gamblejoe affiliate links as players register with casinos.
So seen good idea from you, but the website operators would probably lose their own income...... ... ...
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I understand it in such a way: Users recruit themselves mutually for any service providers which pay for it premiums. These premiums should then all pay into a fund that is managed by GJ. And who has gambled away his money, should then be able to apply for help from the Pot or ask for it?
I think that
1. The number of really active users who would also participate in something like this is relatively limited
2. The payment into the pot would probably not happen with many. Would you then delete them from the advertising system, you would have even fewer who participate.
3. Would there be huge discussions and bickering, who gets the help. The pot would be empty 3x as fast as you could fill it
4. What gamer 777 said
Or you mean rather that the whole should be for participants a small zuverdienst if he is broke. But then I have to say: The money would be gambled away from the beginning just like all other money. And then the person stands there broke again.
Should it witklich lie in your intention, gambling without kohle to help out (which I doubt) then funzt that so with certainty not!
Incidentally, it would bring the hartefalle rather to verzickon everything and ask for help. Completely wrong message I would say times!
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@mk5jas
Agree with you in all arguments. Especially the example with the alcoholic fits. Of course, I wasn't thinking of encouraging addictive behavior that is life-denying for the user in question.
A control instance for this that perfectly or approximately fulfills that would also be technically too costly and would fizzle out quite quickly, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
"Pathological Gambling addicts", you say something.
You can't help everyone.
Maybe I just have internalized a different way of looking at things and different experiences that make me do this (although it is totally AGAINST my experiences and ambitions, because primarily I have other worries ).
I personally could NOT find a reasonable contact point in the internet so far which combines basic life-affirming things with such a powerful topic and does not only act selfishly.
Perhaps an example from a project will help:
I had to bundle technical steps. Automate
Human, customer and end user was ALWAYS the knockout factor.
Therefore all masks had to be self understanding, if possible without "understanding" autodidactically.
At that time in a project with Vodafone this was the most important point.
According to statistics (at that time) cross-country every 5th truck/remote driver had an Android smartphone
Almost everyone had an Apple device
Masks and vorallem legal security in court (in DE), looked there as follows:
Reduce lingual and interactive options to a minimum. (Where there is no X to close, nothing is lost).
Where an answer possibility could be mapped legally secure by the formulation of a question (without the intelligence of the user) and there was no law regulating this, there was something like (sorry, it really was):
"You have a game accident. Who do you contact first?"
1. Answer: Butcher of trust
2. Answer .....
This is the kind I try to reconcile thankfully with gambling.
Not just for me, I don't really need software for that
But if there is and it helps, the help that is offered to me is more solid
@Gamer777:
Interesting, also come from the erotic.
Had to smile while reading and wondered if there is someone from saveNtrust / 777livecams behind your nick
You address a very important point to me with GambleJoe.
It is very important to me that GambleJoe is not ignored, but rather fully involved/integrated (if there is interest) and does not get in hot water with further legal requirements/tasks that need to be fulfilled.
Nowadays there are countless free/cheap collaboration suites (Git, Jira, Coding Conventions, Unit Tests and Scrum techniques) that are very easy to use and can cover all organs of a company.
In my entire career I had countless projects, but only sobering TWO projects that brought both the customer and the company sustainable relief / cost savings (UVV = accident prevention regulations (BSPW: How must goods be tied in the truck), law.... and software that helps small businesses in the catering industry (mostly family businesses with heart and soul) to exist in today's time).
In the erotic sector, I had to watch every day as family heads spent everything with the aim of finding love (cruel, which is why I left!).
I understand about the third-party advertising. My description with the referral chain was only meant as an example.
There are infinite possibilities that could be used to pay out legally secure premiums or as a kind of underlying "insurance".
Building up assets or their management, I was not thinking of that in principle.
Rather something that would be easy to trade (cash in cash out, like the FiFo ).
No Pot = 99% less support.
Or something API moderate (If a basis is created as for example *skgamblers with the AG-Coins, where casinos have direct access and an autonomous process can be mapped).
I take the "POTT" term as a basis:
Pott = pool of users who voluntarily (no matter what form) want to participate in the principle.
Without contract and commitment with the possibility to deduct IMMEDIATELY made payments (if there are any then), e.g. with MuchBetter, through an automated process + their API (which is pretty cool).
Autonomous operation.
Personally, I would voluntarily give away something from every spin in any casino that certifiedly mapped / implemented a technical process (checked by automated tests, of course)
Just out of pure self-preservation instinct and the consistently bad experiences (scary how you can get lost in gambling) and would then be very happy to be able to retrieve a sum X somewhere (like a kind of global cashback).
My personal experience has shown how quickly you flash yourself with in/out balance of your own current account where (although the Gehald was only at 4000) was >=30,000 in, >= 30,000 out
Soberly seen understandable why Mr.Green at that time made a "Royal" from my membership
Do not know how your / your experiences are there.
@Stromberg
Yes, an example would be bonuses. Out of nothing I make with my life partner monthly on average 50-100,00€ EXTRA, just by (pardon the expression) slut hopping any offers.
I advertise you, you me etc... Everywhere there are Mastercards, Easy (Really easier than I thought. before gambling I always had only ONE account ).
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For perspective, it reads easy. I think we all agree that to date the options are kept very simple. That's why I absolutely understand your reasoning
I'm not a magician or artist and so far everything is just a basic idea, I myself don't want to help everyone anyway, have countless things on my agenda that I still have to fix myself
Nevertheless I have a question about this (even if I don't have a solution yet):
If it was so far, it must be far he so?
I have learned that everything is possible. If there is no more door through which you can go, there can still be hidden doors that you can find and use (Exaggerated example: THROUGH THE WALL, instead of in front of a closed door, Or this Facebook picture where symbolically something like "Everyone said it does not work! Then one came and just did it!").
Where there is no door and no one can help, there can still be ways and things that you can use and walk through that are right in front of your nose.
Where 100 people go the conventional way and (mirror image of the world and unfortunately all Dr. Dr. Dr. of mathematics and computer science I had to meet ) come at the smallest deviation in the whirl and gasp
I was a lateral entrant and no one told me "don't go"
Into the cold water, 6 years submarine in Malaysia / France / Spain and solutions created. Back in Germany standing ovation, at that time I did not understand. Today I always have to shake my head at something like that.
Because for me, life (in all areas) means change.
Addendum (Another example of Bonuses / money what is lying around on the Internet would be everywhere):
Smartphone mobile games.
Sounds totally stupid and far-fetched, but that alone gives me more than 20€ per month to buy a free Paysafecard without investing much time.
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I see similar, financial help goes in the wrong direction, if possible with vouchers for a food supplier, but even there already seen that is then traded.
And then there is also the matter of trust and mistrust. Why does the get something from the pot and I do not, etc. it would only burden the forum more than the PSC actions.
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Awesome! I forgot about that.
Yesterday with my girlfriend still talked about it.
Lieferandogutscheine or food delivered.
Without having to compete.
And if no basis there, then once nothing to munch (as experience) could already be enough to act with foresight
Most have themselves somehow not under control or the necessary tools / the know-how and succumb themselves with thoughts and hopes and the chemical cocktail (what the brain in this addiction) pay out (or break off constantly and do not get a cent).
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You and your girlfriend know each other, like each other (hopefully) and have a certain sense of responsibility to each other. But this responsibility is hard to establish with anonymous forum members. I'm sure I'm the first to agree with collectivization and mutual aid. Even if this means that some have less than usual and some have more, I still think it's a good thing. I just do not think that works here or finds any appeal
As has been said many times, GambleJoe does not like to see foreign Ref links here. That would also be a big problem
And then there's another point. Anyone who actually plays more than they can afford has a gambling problem. That person can and should be helped, but not by making up their Debt or giving them a way to get by until next month. Anyone who gambles so much that they can't afford to eat afterwards is a gambling addict and needs professional help, preferably inpatient therapy. Personally, I am not willing to financially enable a stranger's Gambling addiction
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If you want to give your data to all kinds of companies for 50 to 100 euros please, I don't want it
Why nothing should change? Because it is a gamblers forum. And I would bet that many do not change when it comes to gambling money...
But please tell me again what exactly your intention is : do you want to create a hilfefond for burnt out gamblers?as you first presented it
or do you want to find as many people as possible to recruit each other customers?
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apart from that, the TE is right: the money is everywhere on the internet. be it cryptocurrency, payback systems, registration Bonuses or or or. but you have to know that it exists and where you can find it. not so easy, I think. and you need people especially for the recommendation stories. leaving the gambling aside: how often have i been annoyed about the fact that the potential of such offers is not recognized and therefore one doesn't get ahead oneself.but, example cb, it's just a matter of watching a few videos and pocketing money. defacto for nothing. but because the majority doesn't know that and generally considers cryptos to be dubious, in the best case it's declined with thanks, in the bad it's shouted fraud or suspected that the other wants to "enrich" himself.
and besides gambling addicts, there should also be people who perhaps don't earn so horrendously much. and so would have the opportunity to have a few extra eurons in their pockets. and without much effort and maybe do the second job on the weekend
and in my opinion, what they do with it is ultimately their business. i don't think much of the educational mission (as far as adults are concerned).
@ dsp84: that you with player background and sypmpathie for the GJ side here this offer start is more than understandable, but I think you have here in the end more (not target) communication than you can be dear.
perhaps an independent platform would make more sense? in any case, I see the vision behind the idea and a lot of potential.
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