Preliminary info I had already sent to the admins two days ago, but they did not respond here.
OneCasino does not allow players from Germany anymore.
On 19.04.2019 I was shown the update of the T&Cs, and since then German players are no longer allowed to play there for money.
Now for a personal reason:.
It may not interest everyone, but it is my concern to clarify some things:
On 01/31/2019 my account "Kaffeelicht" was temporarily banned for no reason. Then completely banned around 02/12.
This topic will certainly either be deleted or closed, I will of course be banned again, which is why I will not be able to reply to any comments.
But everyone can make himself a picture, what is true and what is not, what insinuations and baseless assertions were/are.
As a reason for the ban on 31.01. I was informed by Christoph via message (at that time I could still log in) that I had not accepted a previous, months old and only(!) warning.
That is correct.
I do not accept it even today, because it lacked any basis. It had begun with the fact that I was insulted eneut in a topic badly, and that by always the same users. With it I turned to an Admin.
This admin told me that he had read everything and would not intervene for the time being. Of course I complained about it and insisted that the admins act accordingly. Because I was instructed on the part of the Admins to turn to him and not to constantly respond to attacks. Before that, of course, I had defended myself in the thread, but without insults.
A discussion followed in the personal chat, where this admin contradicted himself every time. First it was said that he had already warned the users, then it was said that I should first show "remorse" (for what??) and only then he would admonish. Then he wrote again that he had already warned them. Then again that he would not do it until I also showed remorse...
I refused, because I had not attacked these people, but the other way around. Most certainly I show no remorse for defending myself against insults. Out of spite and because he felt annoyed, this admin finally issued a warning against me, which I did not accept.
I also told this to Daniel, who promised me to talk to this admin.
One of the reasons for my displeasure was also the fact that this admin compared the situation and me with quarrels on the schoolyard and students would be warned accordingly by the teacher.
I'm sorry, but I'm approaching 60 and I'm long past school. Obviously, I will not let someone who is at best half my age compare me to students/children if I am publicly and also gratuitously insulted and nastily insulted and end up complaining about it.
On top of that, the admin said it didn't matter who started it.
It doesn't.
The principle of action and reaction still applies, as it does everywhere else, as does the right to fight back.
It's also about proportionality and who did what.
If you are beaten in the street and push the attacker away or complain, no one says it's your own fault because you would have fought back. Nor does anyone say that it doesn't matter who started it.
The attacker is the one who is prosecuted, there is nothing to discuss that.
Everything else is outrageous nonsense.
The whole thing was months ago at that point. Even after that, there were still several situations in which that admin then actually warned attackers, since he had instructed me to contact him immediately. No sooner said than done. Because by each reply tens of pages of these crazy discussions come about, as you could already see in some topics, in which it came to these attacks.
Time all was well and the Admin intervened, times again not. Then there were again incomprehensible contradictions.
First it was said that he had read through everything and I had started. Then I quoted the posts with date and time. Again it was said that I was to blame (because I had resisted!). After that, after more quotes with date and time, he wrote that he had read through everything NOW and that he would agree with me and issue warnings against those people. This whole discussion in the chat was a waste of time and nerves, because the admin had not read through everything and apparently by the chatter of others had simply assumed that I had started and insulted others. If he had read through everything directly, he would have seen immediately that it was the other way around.
I don't even want to know how many warnings these users have already received, just by attacking me. Nevertheless they continue unperturbed.
In these discussions in the chat I often had the impression that I was talking to two different people.
And who knows...?
And because of this incomprehensible back and forth I called that admin incompetent (as admin) at that time. This can be seen as an insult, of course, but was based on the constant contradictions, which were no longer comprehensible at all. Sometimes Hü, sometimes Hott, sometimes blue, sometimes green, sometimes rain sometimes sun. There was no more perspective at all.
Also the statement of the admin, he has no time for such things, is no argument. If you don't have time for your job in running a forum, if users are exposed to the attacks of others, then you don't do the job. Simple as that.
Anyway, with the introduction of the report button and the subsequent discussion by SevenEleven's thread, there was again nasty abuse, especially towards me.
Again by the same people.
As yes instructed by the Admins, I reported three posts of the numerous insults, went also on these not further in the forum. One was edited, the other two by the same user were not.
For another admin now took over and said all was well.
In his opinion, I was allowed to insinuate that I was socially isolated, mentally ill and would constantly insult others.
Any infamous humiliation was perfectly okay in his view.
I defended myself against this in the chat and the admin said it was quite true, since I had already been warned once.
What a logic!
I then repeated that I would not have accepted this warning for said reasons, because it was given out of spite.
This was obviously the opportunity the admin had been waiting for. So he informed me on 31.01. that my account would be temporarily banned. Because of an unfounded warning, which was months ago.
Not because of anything I would have written in the forum, but because of my complaint and a past completely unjustified admonishment/warning.
I copied the PIN of the Paysafe card I won and still wanted to click on "accept gift" but was already blocked.
In an email I tried again to clarify the matter and told the admins what I think of such a way. I also noticed that my PIN had already been used up. An admin replied that this was the old PIN from last month and I had already used it in Casino XYZ. This was extremely strange though, because I had long since deleted the old PIN last month. So how did it get back into my account?
By the way, I didn't know that you can see where you used your Paysafecard on the Paysafe page and asked the admins how they can know what I used where and if there was more. I was told that everyone could see it onthe site and that I was a conspiracy theorist.
I apologized for not knowing that, but also immediatelydefended myself againstthe insinuation that I was a conspiracy theorist. In any case, this term is used far too lightly when it comes to casinos and is used as a killer argument.
So I also complained that I wasn't even given the time to copy my new PIN (the admin could have calmly pointed this out to me, insteadhe didn't care at all. I still don't know why the old PIN was back in the account) and asked if the team could tell me the PIN in the email. I did not receive any more answers to my emails, only that I could log in again on 15.02. and then use the Paysafecard.
I asked several more times for Daniel if he knew what was going on and then if they could not or would not give me the PIN, but there was no reply.
On 11.02. I asked then by email, what distinguishes this procedure regarding the Paysafecard from those Casinos, which do not pay out e.g. wins.
After all, the Paysafecard I won was withheld. And still completely without reason.
In addition, I shared what had come around during my conversation with the lawyer, because I had announced that.
It was a lawyer's consultation regarding the attacks in this forum.
It turned out that German law also applies to this site, among other things because it is mainly directed at German users. In order to proceed against criminally relevant statements, a warning is the best way. I informed the Admins that I do not think anything of it. First and foremost, I wanted to make it clear that an admin has to fulfill certain duties to protect the individual.
This was apparently another opportunity for the admin, because I was then permanently banned, allegedly for threatening to hire a lawyer.
Just this word "threat" I merely shared what came around during the conversation. And even if I had actually "threatened", the Admins would have to be clear that I am firstly in the right and that secondly also a full blocking changes nothing in the jurisdiction. And if they believe themselves to be in the right, they would not have to block at all
After all, I had asked countless times to finally fulfill these obligations, to judge objectively and to stop attacks.
Along with the permanent block, my PIN also came with it. So they could have sent it to me at any time, but they did not. So I had to wait 12 days for it, over nothing.
All this was pure arbitrariness. I wanted to give away the Paysafe card in the forum, but because of the blocking I couldn't do that anymore. So I gave it to a friend, because I thankfully renounce a gift, after I was so badly played with.
Of course, admins/site operators are allowed to use their domiciliary rights and block anyone whose nose doesn't fit them. One should ask oneself only, what one has to hold from such methods, whether that has to do something with fairness. Or with decency.
It usually takes a number of warnings before you get banned, and even more before you get permanently banned. I received a single warning completely unjustified, and that was because I had complied with the admin's request to contact him if there were attacks again.
What to make of this?
Especially when I was even physically threatened with shooting by two users here (why no one knows!) and these users are still active. A warning and that's it.
What was I banned for? In what proportion is anything I have written to what others allow themselves to do here? How can it be that I am allowed to be called a whiner, deranged, a liar, socially isolated and a shimmerer (mind you, for criticizing some casinos), that I am threatened to be shot, and these users are still active, but I am banned for logically not accepting a warning I received out of spite? A warning that was months ago. Because I had turned to the admin as instructed
If one considers that also shortly after my block rather harmless discrepancies between others were edited immediately (example: "You have probably not enjoyed a good childhood"), but any slander and insult to me and some others remain, then this has nothing to do with a healthy sense of justice and objectivity. Then it is conscious promotion of avoidable conflicts and support of mobbing.
xml-ph-0039@deepl.internal Especially when it comes to mobbing, the victims are almost always turned into perpetrators first.
This topic is important to me anyway, as I have dealt with victims of bullying on a regular basis.
It can affect anyone, anytime, anywhere, and it doesn't just apply to children and teens.
Here, in a forum for gambling, it is also so bad because many have an addiction problem, private, family and financial worries, all things that can quickly plunge someone into depression.
If, in addition, anonymous users dump their scorn and malice on the person in public, the forum operator MUST intervene and protect these people. Not privately at their home, but here, on their own site.
I myself do not have these problems fortunatelywise and also know the mechanisms of group dynamics and bullying.
But there are enough others who can't handle such behavior and are thrown into crises.
Apparently, no one here thinks about it.
One of the constant attackers recently told me that he gets along so well with the admins. I believe him, because he is one of the people who are allowed to do everything here and despite (alleged) multiple warnings continues to verbally attack the users.
Here several people are allowed to be called moral scum and sick in the head, they are allowed to be threatened by others without the said users being banned.
Maybe you are dealing with multiple accounts or certain people here who enjoy special privileges.
Maybe the admins pass on to other users what people complain about, who they don't like? Could that be?
This said user, who gets along so well with the admins, said the other day that I had been wrong with my complaints (he called it "assessments") many times. When asked, he changed the subject.
So how does he know about my complaints? Which "estimates" should he have meant otherwise, when it was just about this topic?
I was also told to stop speculating about this user that he might work with/for casinos. Why?
On the other hand, he may call me mentally ill and otherwise insult, belittle and insinuate.
Piece by piece I was forbidden more and more. Certain discussions, certain questions, the answer to attacks, last even the me FROM THE ADMINS AUFGETRAGENE complaining TO the Admins
So far, every single one of said people has failed to provide me with proof of my alleged insults. And it would have been so easy, because as long as I was not banned, you could clearly see every single comment in my profile. Several times I asked for the relevant quotes of my comments, but no one ever posted them. And that's because they don't exist.
By the fact that an admin only intervened when he also deleted my replies because of the quotes, it naturally looks like I offended as well.
So I wasn't actually helped, but had to pay for attacks to be edited - by having my replies edited as well. Because they allegedly could have provoked.
Even if I had offended someone, which is not the case, that would still be no reason to ban after a warning. Or after a simple consultation with a lawyer. Every other user of the said group here is allowed to verbally attack others umpteen times and nothing happens. On the other hand, I am not even allowed to defend myself.
It is clear that I have been attacked by the same people over and over again for criticizing some casinos here. One wonders why. One by one, the critics either leave or get booted out. And one of the attackers, who was himself critical of casinos, resented the fact that I was not politically to the right and had discussed it with him. Another one resented the fact that I was not politically on the left and had discussed this with him.
All in all, however, it was only about the fact that I did not parrot the assertions that it is not possible to manipulate in OCs. Of course, one then needs flimsy excuses to get rid of such users
It was never about alleged insults.
And I am not alone affected, similar methods have already met others before me.
I was not the first and I will not be the last.
Anyone who has read this to the end can now make of it what he wants
Honestly, if I want to read a novel I buy a book, have bissel of the stuff read and iwie are like a baby what rumheult .....junge Junge have you read through nonsense times yourself?
Well I don't do it is a pain to read and this garbage in addition
you know the saying, the wiser gives way?
Hätteste the admin simply bischen remorse vorgeheuchelt, ALL would have been good and the subsequent theater would not have happened.
The admin will have gotten a slight attack of power games
And? Who cares? Just give him his short triumph and that's it.
Nod and smile and think asshole. On we go...
As if anyone would have cared that you had shown remorse
Even the admin would have forgotten about it after a few minutes, because it's so trivial.
The only one who would have been interested would have been your little man in your head.
You can sometimes ride your principles to death. This inevitably brings you into a dead end, as is easy to see.
That you still make such a mimimi with almost 60 (!!!) years, unbelievable.
At that age, you should have already met every type of person and know how to treat the special type of person to get to his goal.
Kamerk wrote on 04/22/2019 at 13:21: Preliminary info I had already sent to the admins two days ago, but they did not respond here.
OneCasino does not allow players from Germany anymore.
On 19.04.2019 I was shown the update of the T&Cs, and since then German players are no longer allowed to play there for money.
Now for a personal reason:.
It may not interest everyone, but it is my concern to clarify some things:
On 01/31/2019 my account "Kaffeelicht" was temporarily banned for no reason. Then completely banned around 02/12.
This topic will certainly either be deleted or closed, I will of course be banned again, which is why I will not be able to reply to any comments.
But everyone can make himself a picture, what is true and what is not, what insinuations and baseless assertions were/are.
As a reason for the ban on 31.01. I was told by Christoph via message (at that time I could still log in) that I had not accepted a previous, months old and only(!) warning.
That is correct.
I do not accept it even today, because it lacked any basis. It had begun with the fact that I was insulted eneut in a topic badly, and that by always the same users. With it I turned to an Admin.
This admin told me that he had read everything and would not intervene for the time being. Of course I complained about it and insisted that the admins act accordingly. Because I was instructed on the part of the Admins to turn to him and not to constantly respond to attacks. Before that, of course, I had defended myself in the thread, but without insults.
A discussion followed in the personal chat, where this admin contradicted himself every time. First it was said that he had already warned the users, then it was said that I should first show "remorse" (for what??) and only then he would admonish. Then he wrote again that he had already warned them. Then again that he would not do it until I also showed remorse...
I refused, because I had not attacked these people, but the other way around. Most certainly I show no remorse for defending myself against insults. Out of spite and because he felt annoyed, this admin finally issued a warning against me, which I did not accept.
I also told this to Daniel, who promised me to talk to this admin.
One of the reasons for my displeasure was also the fact that this admin compared the situation and me with quarrels on the schoolyard and students would be warned accordingly by the teacher.
I'm sorry, but I'm approaching 60 and I'm long past school. Obviously, I will not let someone who is at best half my age compare me to students/children if I am publicly and also gratuitously insulted and nastily insulted and end up complaining about it.
On top of that, the admin said it didn't matter who started it.
It doesn't.
The principle of action and reaction still applies, as it does everywhere else, as does the right to fight back.
It's also about proportionality and who did what.
If you are beaten in the street and push the attacker away or complain, no one says it's your own fault because you would have fought back. Nor does anyone say that it doesn't matter who started it.
The attacker is the one who is prosecuted, there is nothing to discuss that.
Everything else is outrageous nonsense.
The whole thing was months ago at that point. Even after that, there were still several situations in which that admin then actually warned attackers, since he had instructed me to contact him immediately. No sooner said than done. Because by each reply tens of pages of these crazy discussions come about, as you could already see in some topics, in which it came to these attacks.
Time all was well and the Admin intervened, times again not. Then there were again incomprehensible contradictions.
First it was said that he had read through everything and I had started. Then I quoted the posts with date and time. Again it was said that I was to blame (because I had resisted!). After that, after more quotes with date and time, he wrote that he had read through everything NOW and that he would agree with me and issue warnings against those people. This whole discussion in the chat was pure waste of time and nerves, because the admin had not read through everything and obviously by the chatter of others simply times assumed that I had started and insulted others. If he had read through everything directly, he would have seen immediately that it was the other way around.
I don't even want to know how many warnings these users have already received, just by attacking me. Nevertheless they continue unperturbed.
In these discussions in the chat I often had the impression that I was talking to two different people.
And who knows...?
And because of this incomprehensible back and forth I called that admin incompetent (as admin) at that time. This can be seen as an insult, of course, but was based on the constant contradictions, which were no longer comprehensible at all. Sometimes Hü, sometimes Hott, sometimes blue, sometimes green, sometimes rain sometimes sun. There was no more perspective at all.
Also the statement of the admin, he has no time for such things, is no argument. If you don't have time for your job in running a forum, if users are exposed to the attacks of others, then you don't do the job. Simple as that.
Anyway, with the introduction of the report button and the subsequent discussion by SevenEleven's thread, there was again nasty abuse, especially towards me.
Again by the same people.
As yes instructed by the Admins, I reported three posts of the numerous insults, went also on these not further in the forum. One was edited, the other two by the same user were not.
For another admin now took over and said all was well.
In his opinion, I was allowed to insinuate that I was socially isolated, mentally ill and would constantly insult others.
Any infamous humiliation was perfectly okay in his view.
I defended myself against this in the chat and the admin said it was quite true, since I had already been warned once.
What a logic!
I then repeated that I would not have accepted this warning for said reasons, because it was given out of spite.
This was obviously the opportunity the admin had been waiting for. So he informed me on 31.01. that my account would be temporarily banned. Because of an unfounded warning, which was months ago.
Not because of anything I would have written in the forum, but because of my complaint and a past completely unjustified admonishment/warning.
I copied the PIN of the Paysafe card I won and still wanted to click on "accept gift" but was already blocked.
In an email I tried again to clarify the matter and told the admins what I think of such a way. I also noticed that my PIN had already been used up. An admin replied that this was the old PIN from last month and I had already used it in Casino XYZ. This was extremely strange though, because I had long since deleted the old PIN last month. So how did it get back into my account?
By the way, I didn't know that you can see where you used your Paysafecard on the Paysafe page and asked the admins how they can know what I used whereand if there was more. I was told that everyone could see it on the site and that I was a conspiracy theorist.
I apologized for not knowing that, but also immediately defended myself against the insinuation that I was a conspiracy theorist. In any case, this term is used far too lightly when it comes to casinos and is used as a killer argument.
So I also complained that I wasn't even given the time to copy my new PIN (the admin could have calmly pointed this out to me, instead he didn't care at all. I still don't know why the old PIN was back in the account) and asked if the team could tell me the PIN in the email. I did not receive any more answers to my emails, only that I could log in again on 15.02. and then use the Paysafecard.
I asked several more times for Daniel if he knew what was going on and then if they could not or would not give me the PIN, but there was no reply.
On 11.02. I asked then by email, what distinguishes this procedure regarding the Paysafecard from those Casinos, which do not pay out e.g. wins.
After all, the Paysafecard I won was withheld. And still completely without reason.
In addition, I shared what had come around during my conversation with the lawyer, because I had announced that.
It was a lawyer's consultation regarding the attacks in this forum.
It turned out that German law also applies to this site, among other things because it is mainly directed at German users. In order to proceed against criminally relevant statements, a warning is the best way. I informed the Admins that I do not think anything of it. First and foremost, I wanted to make it clear that an admin has to fulfill certain duties to protect the individual.
This was apparently another opportunity for the admin, because I was then permanently banned, allegedly for threatening to call a lawyer.
Just this word "threat" I merely shared what came around during the conversation. And even if I had actually "threatened", the Admins would have to be clear that I am firstly in the right and that secondly also a full blocking changes nothing in the jurisdiction. And if they believe themselves to be in the right, they would not have to block at all
After all, I had asked countless times to finally fulfill these obligations, to judge objectively and to stop attacks.
Along with the permanent block, my PIN also came with it. So they could have sent it to me at any time, but they did not. So I had to wait 12 days for it, over nothing.
All this was pure arbitrariness. I wanted to give away the Paysafe card in the forum, but because of the blocking I couldn't do that anymore. So I gave it to a friend, because I thankfully renounce a gift, after I was so badly played with.
Of course, admins/site operators are allowed to use their domiciliary rights and block anyone whose nose doesn't fit them. One should ask oneself only, what one has to hold from such methods, whether that has to do something with fairness. Or with decency.
It usually takes a number of warnings before you get banned, and even more before you get permanently banned. I received a single warning completely unjustified, and that was because I had complied with the admin's request to contact him if there were attacks again.
What to make of this?
Especially when I was even physically threatened with shooting by two users here (why no one knows!) and these users are still active. A warning and that's it.
What was I banned for? In what proportion is anything I have written to what others allow themselves to do here? How can it be that I am allowed to be called a whiner, deranged, a liar, socially isolated and a shimmerer (mind you, for criticizing some casinos), that I am threatened to be shot, and these users are still active, but I am banned for logically not accepting a warning I received out of spite? A warning that was months ago. Because I had turned to the admin as instructed
If one considers that also shortly after my block rather harmless discrepancies between others were edited immediately (example: "You have probably not enjoyed a good childhood"), but any slander and insult towards me and some others remain, then this has nothing to do with a healthy sense of justice and objectivity. Then it is conscious promotion of avoidable conflicts and support of Mobbing.
Especially with mobbing, the victims are almost always turned into perpetrators first.
This topic is important to me anyway, as I have dealt with bullying victims on a regular basis.
It can affect anyone, anytime, anywhere, and it doesn't just apply to children and teens.
Here, in a forum for gambling, it is also so bad because many have an addiction problem, private, family and financial worries, all things that can quickly plunge someone into depression.
If, in addition, anonymous users dump their scorn and malice on the person in public, the forum operator MUST intervene and protect these people. Not privately at their home, but here, on their own site.
I myself do not have these problems fortunatelywise and also know the mechanisms of group dynamics and bullying.
But there are enough others who can't handle such behavior and are thrown into crises.
Apparently, no one here thinks about it.
One of the constant attackers recently told me that he gets along so well with the admins. I believe him, because he is one of the people who are allowed to do everything here and despite (alleged) multiple warnings continues to verbally attack the users.
Here several people are allowed to be called moral scum and sick in the head, they are allowed to be threatened by others without the said users being banned.
Maybe you are dealing with multiple accounts or certain people here who enjoy special privileges.
Maybe the admins pass on to other users what people complain about, who they don't like? Could that be?
This said user, who gets along so well with the admins, said the other day that I've been wrong before with my complaints (he called it "assessments"). When asked, he changed the subject.
So how does he know about my complaints? Which "estimates" should he have meant otherwise, when it was just about this topic?
I was also told to stop speculating about this user that he might work with/for casinos. Why?
On the other hand, he may call me mentally ill and otherwise insult, belittle and insinuate.
Piece by piece I was forbidden more and more. Certain discussions, certain questions, the answer to attacks, last even the me FROM THE ADMINS AUFGETRAGENE complaining TO the Admins
So far, every single one of said people has failed to provide me with proof of my alleged insults. And it would have been so easy, because as long as I was not banned, you could clearly see every single comment in my profile. Several times I asked for the relevant quotes of my comments, but never anyone posted them. And that's because they don't exist.
By the fact that an admin only intervened when he also deleted my replies because of the quotes, it naturally looks like I offended as well.
So I wasn't actually helped, but had to pay for attacks to be edited - by having my replies edited as well. Because they allegedly could have provoked.
Even if I had offended someone, which is not the case, that would still be no reason to ban after a warning. Or after a simple consultation with a lawyer. Every other user of the said group here is allowed to verbally attack others umpteen times and nothing happens. On the other hand, I am not even allowed to defend myself.
It is clear that I have been attacked by the same people over and over again for criticizing some casinos here. One wonders why. One by one, the critics either leave or get booted out. And one of the attackers, who was himself critical of casinos, resented the fact that I was not politically to the right and had discussed it with him. Another one resented the fact that I was not politically on the left and had discussed this with him.
All in all, however, it was only about the fact that I did not parrot the assertions that it is not possible to manipulate in OCs. Of course, one then needs flimsy excuses to get rid of such users
It was never about alleged insults.
And I am not alone affected, similar methods have already met others before me.
I was not the first and I will not be the last.
Anyone who has read this to the end can now make of it what he wants
Wow. First of all I'm shocked by the amount of words, I even had to laugh after each block as more and more came. (Not meant pejoratively)
I find that this is all completely out of hand and some parties make life difficult for themselves.
In some points in terms of mobbing or insults I can only agree with you, there should be intervened in well-organized forums, I'm not long enough here to judge this, but from the first impression I think the admins / responsible do a good job to keep everything "clean". This is also reflected in the great community again 👍
But unfortunately I think your argumentation is quite degenerate and sometimes you come into contact with people you like or not, vice versa. Nevertheless, no war must be ignited because of it, to turn on the lawyer I also find exaggerated. I think it's more about your pride, after all, you probably had a dispute however it all came about, you have also contributed your part
So please behave maturely, just block people who annoy you in chat and that's fine. You do not have to respond to every negative source or the like
Here everyone has some complicity, yet you can live respectfully and friendly with each other 😉
In the sense, all still a nice holiday
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It is intended as information for those who are quite critical of some casinos or Online Casinos in general.
I was quite clear that you are again called a mimosa or spinner.
I also have no intention to stay here longer (I will not be able to).
But such arbitrariness goes against the grain and should be a warning to those who are interested.
It concerns not only me.
If in a forum is already resorted to such measures, why should it be better in a billion dollar business?
You are almost 60 years old you say and make here in a gamble forum so a tam Tam because of blocking or a psc? To the lawyer are also still gone. Honestly, I think there are better things to do than to make a barrel because of such a lapalie. Is not meant badly but in your place avoid this site and good. Wish you all the best furthermore
if some stranger sitting somewhere in front of his pc and feeling strong enough calls me an idiot (e.g.) and i feel offended because of that i am sorry to say but then he is totally right and i am an idiot
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Gamble wrote on 04/22/2019 at 13:48: You are almost 60 years old you say and here in a gamble forum you make such a tam Tam about blocking or a psc? To the lawyer are also still gone. Honestly, I think there are better things to do than to make a barrel because of such a lapalie. Is not meant badly but in your place avoid this site and good. Wish you all the best furthermore
I went to the lawyer because I was physically threatened and massively insulted.
It was for advice and had nothing to do with the PSC or the blocking.
I was and am in the right, but I do not think much of warnings, which is why I did nothing.
I also wanted to know exactly, because it was pointed out several times that German law does not apply to a site operated abroad.
That is my right and also an Admin may not deny me that. To be banned, because you get legal advice, is already 'ne number.
I have fought for months to stop attacks. I don't know how long you have to be patient or submit.
It can't quite be that.
Whether this is now a barrel that is opened or for info, everyone can also decide for themselves.
First of all, I think it's a shame that you haven't explained many of the things that ultimately led to your suspension, and that you're telling it in context so that you can present yourself as an innocent.
No offense, but just the fact that you might think that your ban is because you are critical of casinos doesn't make me feel like I can have a serious discussion with you about it.
It is definitely not our job to censor the forum, even if you may not believe it, but we like it when users have different views and want to share their opinions with us, otherwise this forum would have little sense.
We only intervene when the forum rules are violated, an important part of this is the interaction with other users.
I will not continue to deal with this topic, especially not publicly, and just let it rest.
And yes I will of course have to ban your new account as well because it is definitely not in our interest that banned users register again and again.
But to prove to you that we do not need to censor any things I will let this thread stand exceptionally, although it is actually not in our interest that banned users may continue to participate in the forum.
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OneCasino does not allow players from Germany anymore.
On 19.04.2019 I was shown the update of the T&Cs, and since then German players are no longer allowed to play there for money.
Now for a personal reason:.
It may not interest everyone, but it is my concern to clarify some things:
On 01/31/2019 my account "Kaffeelicht" was temporarily banned for no reason. Then completely banned around 02/12.
This topic will certainly either be deleted or closed, I will of course be banned again, which is why I will not be able to reply to any comments.
But everyone can make himself a picture, what is true and what is not, what insinuations and baseless assertions were/are.
As a reason for the ban on 31.01. I was informed by Christoph via message (at that time I could still log in) that I had not accepted a previous, months old and only(!) warning.
That is correct.
I do not accept it even today, because it lacked any basis. It had begun with the fact that I was insulted eneut in a topic badly, and that by always the same users. With it I turned to an Admin.
This admin told me that he had read everything and would not intervene for the time being. Of course I complained about it and insisted that the admins act accordingly. Because I was instructed on the part of the Admins to turn to him and not to constantly respond to attacks. Before that, of course, I had defended myself in the thread, but without insults.
A discussion followed in the personal chat, where this admin contradicted himself every time. First it was said that he had already warned the users, then it was said that I should first show "remorse" (for what??) and only then he would admonish. Then he wrote again that he had already warned them. Then again that he would not do it until I also showed remorse...
I refused, because I had not attacked these people, but the other way around. Most certainly I show no remorse for defending myself against insults. Out of spite and because he felt annoyed, this admin finally issued a warning against me, which I did not accept.
I also told this to Daniel, who promised me to talk to this admin.
One of the reasons for my displeasure was also the fact that this admin compared the situation and me with quarrels on the schoolyard and students would be warned accordingly by the teacher.
I'm sorry, but I'm approaching 60 and I'm long past school. Obviously, I will not let someone who is at best half my age compare me to students/children if I am publicly and also gratuitously insulted and nastily insulted and end up complaining about it.
On top of that, the admin said it didn't matter who started it.
It doesn't.
The principle of action and reaction still applies, as it does everywhere else, as does the right to fight back.
It's also about proportionality and who did what.
If you are beaten in the street and push the attacker away or complain, no one says it's your own fault because you would have fought back. Nor does anyone say that it doesn't matter who started it.
The attacker is the one who is prosecuted, there is nothing to discuss that.
Everything else is outrageous nonsense.
The whole thing was months ago at that point. Even after that, there were still several situations in which that admin then actually warned attackers, since he had instructed me to contact him immediately. No sooner said than done. Because by each reply tens of pages of these crazy discussions come about, as you could already see in some topics, in which it came to these attacks.
Time all was well and the Admin intervened, times again not. Then there were again incomprehensible contradictions.
First it was said that he had read through everything and I had started. Then I quoted the posts with date and time. Again it was said that I was to blame (because I had resisted!). After that, after more quotes with date and time, he wrote that he had read through everything NOW and that he would agree with me and issue warnings against those people. This whole discussion in the chat was a waste of time and nerves, because the admin had not read through everything and apparently by the chatter of others had simply assumed that I had started and insulted others. If he had read through everything directly, he would have seen immediately that it was the other way around.
I don't even want to know how many warnings these users have already received, just by attacking me. Nevertheless they continue unperturbed.
In these discussions in the chat I often had the impression that I was talking to two different people.
And who knows...?
And because of this incomprehensible back and forth I called that admin incompetent (as admin) at that time. This can be seen as an insult, of course, but was based on the constant contradictions, which were no longer comprehensible at all. Sometimes Hü, sometimes Hott, sometimes blue, sometimes green, sometimes rain sometimes sun. There was no more perspective at all.
Also the statement of the admin, he has no time for such things, is no argument. If you don't have time for your job in running a forum, if users are exposed to the attacks of others, then you don't do the job. Simple as that.
Anyway, with the introduction of the report button and the subsequent discussion by SevenEleven's thread, there was again nasty abuse, especially towards me.
Again by the same people.
As yes instructed by the Admins, I reported three posts of the numerous insults, went also on these not further in the forum. One was edited, the other two by the same user were not.
For another admin now took over and said all was well.
In his opinion, I was allowed to insinuate that I was socially isolated, mentally ill and would constantly insult others.
Any infamous humiliation was perfectly okay in his view.
I defended myself against this in the chat and the admin said it was quite true, since I had already been warned once.
What a logic!
I then repeated that I would not have accepted this warning for said reasons, because it was given out of spite.
This was obviously the opportunity the admin had been waiting for. So he informed me on 31.01. that my account would be temporarily banned. Because of an unfounded warning, which was months ago.
Not because of anything I would have written in the forum, but because of my complaint and a past completely unjustified admonishment/warning.
I copied the PIN of the Paysafe card I won and still wanted to click on "accept gift" but was already blocked.
In an email I tried again to clarify the matter and told the admins what I think of such a way. I also noticed that my PIN had already been used up. An admin replied that this was the old PIN from last month and I had already used it in Casino XYZ. This was extremely strange though, because I had long since deleted the old PIN last month. So how did it get back into my account?
By the way, I didn't know that you can see where you used your Paysafecard on the Paysafe page and asked the admins how they can know what I used where and if there was more. I was told that everyone could see it onthe site and that I was a conspiracy theorist.
I apologized for not knowing that, but also immediatelydefended myself againstthe insinuation that I was a conspiracy theorist. In any case, this term is used far too lightly when it comes to casinos and is used as a killer argument.
So I also complained that I wasn't even given the time to copy my new PIN (the admin could have calmly pointed this out to me, insteadhe didn't care at all. I still don't know why the old PIN was back in the account) and asked if the team could tell me the PIN in the email. I did not receive any more answers to my emails, only that I could log in again on 15.02. and then use the Paysafecard.
I asked several more times for Daniel if he knew what was going on and then if they could not or would not give me the PIN, but there was no reply.
On 11.02. I asked then by email, what distinguishes this procedure regarding the Paysafecard from those Casinos, which do not pay out e.g. wins.
After all, the Paysafecard I won was withheld. And still completely without reason.
In addition, I shared what had come around during my conversation with the lawyer, because I had announced that.
It was a lawyer's consultation regarding the attacks in this forum.
It turned out that German law also applies to this site, among other things because it is mainly directed at German users. In order to proceed against criminally relevant statements, a warning is the best way. I informed the Admins that I do not think anything of it. First and foremost, I wanted to make it clear that an admin has to fulfill certain duties to protect the individual.
This was apparently another opportunity for the admin, because I was then permanently banned, allegedly for threatening to hire a lawyer.
Just this word "threat" I merely shared what came around during the conversation. And even if I had actually "threatened", the Admins would have to be clear that I am firstly in the right and that secondly also a full blocking changes nothing in the jurisdiction. And if they believe themselves to be in the right, they would not have to block at all
After all, I had asked countless times to finally fulfill these obligations, to judge objectively and to stop attacks.
Along with the permanent block, my PIN also came with it. So they could have sent it to me at any time, but they did not. So I had to wait 12 days for it, over nothing.
All this was pure arbitrariness. I wanted to give away the Paysafe card in the forum, but because of the blocking I couldn't do that anymore. So I gave it to a friend, because I thankfully renounce a gift, after I was so badly played with.
Of course, admins/site operators are allowed to use their domiciliary rights and block anyone whose nose doesn't fit them. One should ask oneself only, what one has to hold from such methods, whether that has to do something with fairness. Or with decency.
It usually takes a number of warnings before you get banned, and even more before you get permanently banned. I received a single warning completely unjustified, and that was because I had complied with the admin's request to contact him if there were attacks again.
What to make of this?
Especially when I was even physically threatened with shooting by two users here (why no one knows!) and these users are still active. A warning and that's it.
What was I banned for? In what proportion is anything I have written to what others allow themselves to do here? How can it be that I am allowed to be called a whiner, deranged, a liar, socially isolated and a shimmerer (mind you, for criticizing some casinos), that I am threatened to be shot, and these users are still active, but I am banned for logically not accepting a warning I received out of spite? A warning that was months ago. Because I had turned to the admin as instructed
If one considers that also shortly after my block rather harmless discrepancies between others were edited immediately (example: "You have probably not enjoyed a good childhood"), but any slander and insult to me and some others remain, then this has nothing to do with a healthy sense of justice and objectivity. Then it is conscious promotion of avoidable conflicts and support of mobbing.
xml-ph-0039@deepl.internal Especially when it comes to mobbing, the victims are almost always turned into perpetrators first.
This topic is important to me anyway, as I have dealt with victims of bullying on a regular basis.
It can affect anyone, anytime, anywhere, and it doesn't just apply to children and teens.
Here, in a forum for gambling, it is also so bad because many have an addiction problem, private, family and financial worries, all things that can quickly plunge someone into depression.
If, in addition, anonymous users dump their scorn and malice on the person in public, the forum operator MUST intervene and protect these people. Not privately at their home, but here, on their own site.
I myself do not have these problems fortunatelywise and also know the mechanisms of group dynamics and bullying.
But there are enough others who can't handle such behavior and are thrown into crises.
Apparently, no one here thinks about it.
One of the constant attackers recently told me that he gets along so well with the admins. I believe him, because he is one of the people who are allowed to do everything here and despite (alleged) multiple warnings continues to verbally attack the users.
Here several people are allowed to be called moral scum and sick in the head, they are allowed to be threatened by others without the said users being banned.
Maybe you are dealing with multiple accounts or certain people here who enjoy special privileges.
Maybe the admins pass on to other users what people complain about, who they don't like? Could that be?
This said user, who gets along so well with the admins, said the other day that I had been wrong with my complaints (he called it "assessments") many times. When asked, he changed the subject.
So how does he know about my complaints? Which "estimates" should he have meant otherwise, when it was just about this topic?
I was also told to stop speculating about this user that he might work with/for casinos. Why?
On the other hand, he may call me mentally ill and otherwise insult, belittle and insinuate.
Piece by piece I was forbidden more and more. Certain discussions, certain questions, the answer to attacks, last even the me FROM THE ADMINS AUFGETRAGENE complaining TO the Admins
So far, every single one of said people has failed to provide me with proof of my alleged insults. And it would have been so easy, because as long as I was not banned, you could clearly see every single comment in my profile. Several times I asked for the relevant quotes of my comments, but no one ever posted them. And that's because they don't exist.
By the fact that an admin only intervened when he also deleted my replies because of the quotes, it naturally looks like I offended as well.
So I wasn't actually helped, but had to pay for attacks to be edited - by having my replies edited as well. Because they allegedly could have provoked.
Even if I had offended someone, which is not the case, that would still be no reason to ban after a warning. Or after a simple consultation with a lawyer. Every other user of the said group here is allowed to verbally attack others umpteen times and nothing happens. On the other hand, I am not even allowed to defend myself.
It is clear that I have been attacked by the same people over and over again for criticizing some casinos here. One wonders why. One by one, the critics either leave or get booted out. And one of the attackers, who was himself critical of casinos, resented the fact that I was not politically to the right and had discussed it with him. Another one resented the fact that I was not politically on the left and had discussed this with him.
All in all, however, it was only about the fact that I did not parrot the assertions that it is not possible to manipulate in OCs. Of course, one then needs flimsy excuses to get rid of such users
It was never about alleged insults.
And I am not alone affected, similar methods have already met others before me.
I was not the first and I will not be the last.
Anyone who has read this to the end can now make of it what he wants
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you know the saying, the wiser gives way?
Hätteste the admin simply bischen remorse vorgeheuchelt, ALL would have been good and the subsequent theater would not have happened.
The admin will have gotten a slight attack of power games
And? Who cares? Just give him his short triumph and that's it.
Nod and smile and think asshole. On we go...
As if anyone would have cared that you had shown remorse
Even the admin would have forgotten about it after a few minutes, because it's so trivial.
The only one who would have been interested would have been your little man in your head.
You can sometimes ride your principles to death. This inevitably brings you into a dead end, as is easy to see.
That you still make such a mimimi with almost 60 (!!!) years, unbelievable.
At that age, you should have already met every type of person and know how to treat the special type of person to get to his goal.
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I was quite clear that you are again called a mimosa or spinner.
I also have no intention to stay here longer (I will not be able to).
But such arbitrariness goes against the grain and should be a warning to those who are interested.
It concerns not only me.
If in a forum is already resorted to such measures, why should it be better in a billion dollar business?
You must know it, remains your decision.
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I went to the lawyer because I was physically threatened and massively insulted.
It was for advice and had nothing to do with the PSC or the blocking.
I was and am in the right, but I do not think much of warnings, which is why I did nothing.
I also wanted to know exactly, because it was pointed out several times that German law does not apply to a site operated abroad.
That is my right and also an Admin may not deny me that. To be banned, because you get legal advice, is already 'ne number.
I have fought for months to stop attacks. I don't know how long you have to be patient or submit.
It can't quite be that.
Whether this is now a barrel that is opened or for info, everyone can also decide for themselves.
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No offense, but just the fact that you might think that your ban is because you are critical of casinos doesn't make me feel like I can have a serious discussion with you about it.
It is definitely not our job to censor the forum, even if you may not believe it, but we like it when users have different views and want to share their opinions with us, otherwise this forum would have little sense.
We only intervene when the forum rules are violated, an important part of this is the interaction with other users.
I will not continue to deal with this topic, especially not publicly, and just let it rest.
And yes I will of course have to ban your new account as well because it is definitely not in our interest that banned users register again and again.
But to prove to you that we do not need to censor any things I will let this thread stand exceptionally, although it is actually not in our interest that banned users may continue to participate in the forum.
I wish you all the best for the future.
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