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Off topic & small talk: Cash Your Opinion

Topic created on 03rd May. 2018 | Page: 1 of 5 | Answers: 42 | Views: 7,489
S****n

Cash Your Opinion

3rd May. 2018, at 09:11 pm CEST#1
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Cash is being pushed further and further out of our world.
What do you think about it ? Is it important for anonymous payments or obsolete in today's technical society ?
What if there is no more cash ? Total state control over our lives ?

I am curious what you think about it and how you pay.

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Elite

Cash Your Opinion

3rd May. 2018, at 09:17 pm CEST#2
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Cash is indeed becoming more and more the currency of criminals. That's why the 500 and 200 are being considered for abolition. Because virtually no one pays large amounts in cash anymore, except criminals. Discussions are already underway in politics about a cash ceiling. On the other hand, Germany is still quite backward compared to other countries and cash is still needed often enough. At the bakery, in bars, clubs or some restaurants, you can at least never be sure. So I always have cash with me and personally prefer to pay with cash than with a card. I also almost never buy anything online

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Cash Your Opinion

3rd May. 2018, at 09:21 pm CEST#3
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I think cash is very important. Especially for us players If you just put your EC card into the machine in the Spielo and debit one 50 after the other, that's something completely different than if you put in one bill after the other. You lose more and more control then. That's also the danger online, because you don't take money in your hand and Deposit it.

Of course, it could reduce crime, but then you wouldn't be able to buy anything without it being recorded somewhere

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Elite

Cash Your Opinion

3rd May. 2018, at 09:29 pm CEST#4
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A card system would even make sense for players. However, not the normal EC card but a personalized player card to which one has online access. This would allow limits to be set or even a nationwide ban to be imposed. Does not fit 100% to the topic but cash in arcades is not like real money for players. There are weeks when I live with a 50 in my wallet and it slowly gets less and less and then at some point I go back to the bank. In the arcade, it's all just play money.

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J****r

Cash Your Opinion

3rd May. 2018, at 09:40 pm CEST#5
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Cash means freedom. Cash abolition serves the total control and the fairy tale "only criminals use cash" is a joke and serves only the financial lobby and their zero and minus interest policy. Those who claim such a thing are also the first to have a RFiD chip implanted... Have fun with it

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Elite

Cash Your Opinion

3rd May. 2018, at 09:44 pm CEST#6
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Of course, cash is not only used by criminals, but the fact is that larger banknotes are now almost exclusively used by criminals. My father has paid when I was a small child once 16,000 € for a car in cash, why I do not know more, maybe because part of the money was borrowed from my grandpa. Of course I never saw such a big amount of 500s again. In fact, I have only seen 500s 3 times in my life. Once as a child, once at my conformation and once when I involuntarily witnessed a cocaine deal.

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J****r

Cash Your Opinion

3rd May. 2018, at 09:56 pm CEST#7
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And that would be a reason to abolish cash? Where is the difference whether one has a 500€ bill in the bag or 10 times 50€? First goes the 500 then the 200 then the 100 etc... always with the alleged criminal argument. And if the cash is then completely gone, they make with us and our money what they want. E.g. enforce minus interest rates. What do you do then? Today you can empty your account but without cash?
Everyone who is not yet degenerated stupid in the head or a total systemling, rejects such a moronic idea of the financial mafia.

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Elite

Cash Your Opinion

3rd May. 2018, at 10:04 pm CEST#8
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I also reject the idea of abolishing cash; at least at present, it would be much too early for that. Sooner or later, it will probably come down to that and then back again. But I can take away your fears about the abolition. The large bills are really used to a large extent only by criminals, that is not an invented argument, that is a fact. The USA had the same problem once. There is practically no higher banknote than the 100 dollar bill anymore. Higher banknotes are theoretically still legal tender but practically no longer in circulation. In fact, there is even a $100,000 bill. In Italy, for example, they are also considering abolishing the 1,2 and 5 cent coins, as these are now really only needed to issue at these moronic 0.99 prices, since nothing you can buy anywhere costs only 1 cent anyway. 500 Euro bills have simply not proven themselves in everyday life, probably because most people do not like to walk around with so much cash and accordingly do not pay larger sums in cash. For stores, the Risk of counterfeit money is of course also too high if someone pays with a 500 € bill his purchase of 14.24. Of course, they can use the bill at the cash register. Of course, they can check the bill at the checkout, etc. but let's be honest, a great relevance plays this banknote in everyday life absolutely not, with criminals it looks different because the often can not take the official way through the bank because then stands very quickly the tax office there (even before the police probably).

Not everything is conspiracy and bad and evil But your distrust is of course justified.

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Anonym

Cash Your Opinion

3rd May. 2018, at 10:50 pm CEST#9
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Cash means freedom.


The idea of abolishing cash only benefits the elite again.
The banks and governments can seize at any time in a crisis situation your assets, interest without end demand etc..
You can also put any political opponent, or system critics immediately with a push of a button out of action by blocking his account.
In a war, you can't still use your cash under your pillow to disappear out of the country. The government then simply restricts payments from all citizens and nothing is possible.
All your expenses are visible. You know at any time what you did with how much money - total control.
Unless you want the government and the bank to see that you have bought an anal dildo, the Insurance companies can see that you have 10 beers three times a week in a bar.
A worker who helps out on weekends at the construction site to feed his family - is no longer possible, or how should he be paid without anyone noticing?


As if one would disturb criminals with the abolition of cash. Petty criminals maybe, but even they will find a way. But that's exactly the point:
Total surveillance of the lower and middle classes. The real criminals are anyway those who sit in power or have already accumulated so much money that a cash abolition is indifferent or even useful. Also large criminals are not disturbed by it: the camouflage already everything with dummy companies and launder money. They don't need cash for that.

Anyone who thinks that would be something great for us is no more than a sheep that can be voluntarily led to the slaughter.
In times of digital surveillance and restriction of civil rights, this would probably be the last step to lose freedom completely.
A totalitarian state of injustice that the citizens have also voluntarily allowed because people like bones can be manipulated so much that they give up all rights.

Who gives up freedom for security loses both in the end.
Or: the worst enemies of freedom are happy slaves.

Think about it.

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Elite

Cash Your Opinion

3rd May. 2018, at 10:56 pm CEST#10
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I agree with you in part, but you're also exaggerating. Because if it were as you describe, then it would already be so. In fact, the average German has about 60-80 € cash. Who has still cash under the pillow that is enough to travel outside the country? We already have a condition in which hardly anyone uses cash. If there were no more cash tomorrow, could the government or the Insurance company see your account activity? No! Why should they? For that, banking secrecy would have to be abolished, not cash.

(And if someone comes at me here immediately because of "Do you think you unworldly fool really that they can not see what you pay with your money and blablabla" I must say no I think not but if that is so then the fact that there is no cash but nothing changes, keyword is Big Data and not whether you buy an anal dildo)

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