Silence wrote on 18.05.2020 at 17:01: I also often ask myself how real some casino streamers are or if they really play with Ralmoney +Bonuses or everything is provided by the casino.
I especially notice that just streamers very often despite Bonuses and the associated turnover requirements cashouts put down...partly medium to higher 4 digit amounts.
I also notice :
For example
Many streamers lose on the 1st stream day with 2-4 deposits, have for it on the following day nen good cashout...it comes from time to time that 2 stream days go empty, but then the 3rd day ends in good cashout as well as the following day
If I compare that with my deposits, I do not come in life to the payout ratio of some streamers I watch.
It makes me think as if streamers have a much better chance to cashout.... To what extent this can be controlled on the part of the casino, I can not judge.
There are also some streamers who show their Ein + payouts, but the payout ratios make me strongly doubt that the Streamer u. normal players have the same chances.
I refer here only my personal experience, measured by their own payout ratio compared to streamers who also play with bonuses and in about the same amount of deposits as me. Also similar or even the same slots are played on identical stakes.
Most streamers also have completely different turnover requirements. I know a smaller casino streamer who gets 30 bonuses a month with 25x wagering and that with a 100% bonus. And there are many who are bigger than him in the field of streaming
masstube wrote on 05/18/2020 at 17:05
Most streamers also have completely different turnover requirements. I know a smaller casino Streamer which gets 30 Bonuses a month with 25x wager and that with a 100% bonus. And there are many who are bigger than him in the streaming field
I am aware of that.
However, I write here of streamers who have pretty much the same bonus conditions ..mostly differs here the condition instead of 35x wager 30x wager ...or the wager is the same, but the streamer gets his bonuses daily.
So at least it is with streamers I use as a comparison
And whether 5x more must be wagered is irrelevant ..if I usually go down without a sound, already far before the wager is implemented
Of course this is all fake very rarely is real money
For example a Streamer plays daily with 800 to 1500 euro
But Dan he talks in the stream that he is saving for a trip
Or some who have previously played 20 cents suddenly play 5 euro bets
And some you can see that they do not have much money but always nice 700 euro verdrücken without pity
Watch it myself but know that they all play with fake money but I do not care
is even funny when you know that the guy just acting xD
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masstube wrote on 05/18/2020 at 17:05
Most streamers also have completely different turnover requirements. I know a smaller casino Streamer which gets 30 Bonuses a month with 25x wager and that with a 100% bonus. And there are many who are bigger than him in the streaming field
It also varies from casino to casino. Not all Affiliate deals are the same, you can find a rough overview of the affiliate details on almost all casino sites under "Affiliate".
Bvb1995 wrote on 18.05.2020 at 17:16: Of course it's all fake very rarely is real money
For example a Streamer plays daily with 800 to 1500 euro
But Dan he talks in the stream that he is saving for a trip
Or some who have previously played 20 cents suddenly play 5 euro bets
And some you can see that they do not have much money but always nice 700 euro verdrücken without pity
Watch it myself but know that they all play with fake money but I do not care
is even funny when you know that the guy just acting xD
Wow, there are some awesome claims in the text
Are there names and details / evidence? Just so claim can also anyone
I myself am absolutely not a fan of gambling streams, especially not when it is extreme acting - no I do not mean Knossi!
But just so blindly raushauen assertions is even worse, as the streams themselves
Now seriously: but give the examples of you the names and where exactly the faking should be...
I guess there will come out about nothing valid, because the own suspicion is sold as fact
It would be enough for me even ONE active gambling streamer, which you can prove fakes
Especially in this forum is screamed again and again Streams = Fake, but what could bring forward so far no one
Hmm... As long as Galileo Mystery, The X-Files or the Physico-Technical Federal Institute, in cooperation with the Frauenhofer Institute, doesn't take care of it, you'll only get analyses ala Belling Cat 🤷♂️
But honestly, they are convincing enough
Who looks at it anyway, is still ok...
Even ONE active gambling Streamer that you can prove fakes would be enough for me.
And how should Bvb1995 manage this without access to accounts, e-wallets, business mails, Affiliate accounts (i.e. data that no one in their right mind would give out, especially if they are not quite kosher)? You are also not exactly foreign and should know that such a demonstration is not possible.
Although I do not believe that the "raw stone" is fake
I do - even if I have no evidence that you would surely like to see. But I was so free times a time to count his cashouts / deposits and almost every month with ner three-quarters of a million in profit - times honestly: Does it need evidence for this or are here the evidence already significant enough?
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Here times which to the topic at the example of CasinoDaddy so that both sides can make themselves a perhaps somewhat better picture:
Should I have miscalculated - correct me !
Let's assume 96% RTP, even if this is rather at the upper limit of current slot RTPs
Let's assume that a 5€ spin takes 15 seconds - let's leave out for the sake of simplicity that also like 2 (or more) slots are played simultaneously or is turned to 10 € (or more).
So let's calculate the following:
1min = 4 Spins = 20€ = 0,80 cent loss per minute with a RTP of 96%
1hr = 60 x 0,80€ = 48€ loss the hour at 96% RTP
8h/day = 384€ loss per day
1 month(28 days, occasionally you take time off) = 10753€ loss
Loss halved by permanent 100% (standard) streamer bonus = 5376€ loss per month (say 28 days)
Annual loss due to OC = 64512€
At this point : Royal777, you are not profitable in the long run even by the streamer bonus - at best near break even. The wager is as we know the means to equalize the advantage by the streamer bonus. It is much more true that streamers generate more stream time without additional costs. However, I am happy to be convinced of the opposite by means of mathematics.
Continue with CasinoDaddy...
Operating profit to 07.2019 for the 12 month period of Joelsson Media Group AB:
Net profit(net) = 19,132,000 Swedish kronor = 1,804,224€ Source: https://www.merinfo.se/foretag/Joelsson-Media-Group-AB-5590783352/2kglw1k-1m26j/nyckeltal
The result already includes the costs for 8 employees (Antal anställda), as well as the operating costs for premises, etc.
This includes the income/losses of the web hosting company "Webbjätten AB" with a net profit of -12000 kronor which corresponds to -1131€ Source: https://www.merinfo.se/foretag/Webbj%C3%A4tten-AB-5590720628/2kgkjn8-1lugq/nyckeltal
Ergo we have the following calculation:
1.804.224€
- 1.131€ loss from the webhosting company
- 64512€ loss from OC
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1.738.581€ annual profit or 144.881,75€ win per month or 5174€/per day (all net)
The crux of the matter is that you don't have any data to check how the win comes about. I trust the guys 10K+ recruited customers quite to, but all these customers would have to gamble on average 434 euros / per month (in the sense of lose) - this CustumerValue I think is very very high (I have unfortunately only seen once before years an affiliate billing has extended over 5 years and there was the CustumerValue 8 € / month with an average of 1000 active users) - undoubtedly the CustomerValue is much higher today, but so high I can hardly imagine even if you had 20K + active users.
In addition, there is the fact that most of them gamble less per month or stop completely because of the losses (perhaps also because of various problems with payouts, etc.). The number could possibly be absorbed by new customers, but the market share each meanwhile a variety of streamers so that here rather a negative ratio is to be assumed.
As you can see, despite many hard numbers, no clear proof is possible. So you are left with only indications to decide (for you all alone) who is fake and who is not.
I think your analysis of CasinoDaddy is pretty cool
Where did you find that out? Swedish trade register?
There is also income from their website and YouTube...
@Slothot
In Sweden everyone's tax return is public and available for everyone to see - the income from your website and Youtube is already included in the balance sheet
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Most streamers also have completely different turnover requirements. I know a smaller casino streamer who gets 30 bonuses a month with 25x wagering and that with a 100% bonus. And there are many who are bigger than him in the field of streaming
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I am aware of that.
However, I write here of streamers who have pretty much the same bonus conditions ..mostly differs here the condition instead of 35x wager 30x wager ...or the wager is the same, but the streamer gets his bonuses daily.
So at least it is with streamers I use as a comparison
And whether 5x more must be wagered is irrelevant ..if I usually go down without a sound, already far before the wager is implemented
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For example a Streamer plays daily with 800 to 1500 euro
But Dan he talks in the stream that he is saving for a trip
Or some who have previously played 20 cents suddenly play 5 euro bets
And some you can see that they do not have much money but always nice 700 euro verdrücken without pity
Watch it myself but know that they all play with fake money but I do not care
is even funny when you know that the guy just acting xD
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It also varies from casino to casino. Not all Affiliate deals are the same, you can find a rough overview of the affiliate details on almost all casino sites under "Affiliate".
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Wow, there are some awesome claims in the text
Are there names and details / evidence? Just so claim can also anyone
I myself am absolutely not a fan of gambling streams, especially not when it is extreme acting - no I do not mean Knossi!
But just so blindly raushauen assertions is even worse, as the streams themselves
Now seriously: but give the examples of you the names and where exactly the faking should be...
I guess there will come out about nothing valid, because the own suspicion is sold as fact
It would be enough for me even ONE active gambling streamer, which you can prove fakes
Especially in this forum is screamed again and again Streams = Fake, but what could bring forward so far no one
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But honestly, they are convincing enough
Who looks at it anyway, is still ok...
But please, as if it's all real...
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And how should Bvb1995 manage this without access to accounts, e-wallets, business mails, Affiliate accounts (i.e. data that no one in their right mind would give out, especially if they are not quite kosher)? You are also not exactly foreign and should know that such a demonstration is not possible.
I do - even if I have no evidence that you would surely like to see. But I was so free times a time to count his cashouts / deposits and almost every month with ner three-quarters of a million in profit - times honestly: Does it need evidence for this or are here the evidence already significant enough?
------------ Snip snip -----------
Here times which to the topic at the example of CasinoDaddy so that both sides can make themselves a perhaps somewhat better picture:
Should I have miscalculated - correct me !
Let's assume 96% RTP, even if this is rather at the upper limit of current slot RTPs
Let's assume that a 5€ spin takes 15 seconds - let's leave out for the sake of simplicity that also like 2 (or more) slots are played simultaneously or is turned to 10 € (or more).
So let's calculate the following:
1min = 4 Spins = 20€ = 0,80 cent loss per minute with a RTP of 96%
1hr = 60 x 0,80€ = 48€ loss the hour at 96% RTP
8h/day = 384€ loss per day
1 month(28 days, occasionally you take time off) = 10753€ loss
Loss halved by permanent 100% (standard) streamer bonus = 5376€ loss per month (say 28 days)
Annual loss due to OC = 64512€
At this point : Royal777, you are not profitable in the long run even by the streamer bonus - at best near break even. The wager is as we know the means to equalize the advantage by the streamer bonus. It is much more true that streamers generate more stream time without additional costs. However, I am happy to be convinced of the opposite by means of mathematics.
Continue with CasinoDaddy...
Operating profit to 07.2019 for the 12 month period of Joelsson Media Group AB:
Net profit(net) = 19,132,000 Swedish kronor = 1,804,224€ Source: https://www.merinfo.se/foretag/Joelsson-Media-Group-AB-5590783352/2kglw1k-1m26j/nyckeltal
The result already includes the costs for 8 employees (Antal anställda), as well as the operating costs for premises, etc.
This includes the income/losses of the web hosting company "Webbjätten AB" with a net profit of -12000 kronor which corresponds to -1131€ Source: https://www.merinfo.se/foretag/Webbj%C3%A4tten-AB-5590720628/2kgkjn8-1lugq/nyckeltal
Ergo we have the following calculation:
1.804.224€
- 1.131€ loss from the webhosting company
- 64512€ loss from OC
__________________________________
1.738.581€ annual profit or 144.881,75€ win per month or 5174€/per day (all net)
The crux of the matter is that you don't have any data to check how the win comes about. I trust the guys 10K+ recruited customers quite to, but all these customers would have to gamble on average 434 euros / per month (in the sense of lose) - this CustumerValue I think is very very high (I have unfortunately only seen once before years an affiliate billing has extended over 5 years and there was the CustumerValue 8 € / month with an average of 1000 active users) - undoubtedly the CustomerValue is much higher today, but so high I can hardly imagine even if you had 20K + active users.
In addition, there is the fact that most of them gamble less per month or stop completely because of the losses (perhaps also because of various problems with payouts, etc.). The number could possibly be absorbed by new customers, but the market share each meanwhile a variety of streamers so that here rather a negative ratio is to be assumed.
As you can see, despite many hard numbers, no clear proof is possible. So you are left with only indications to decide (for you all alone) who is fake and who is not.
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Streamer cooperation with OCs?
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Where did you find that out? Swedish trade register?
There is also income from their website and YouTube...
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Streamer cooperation with OCs?
Nobody has liked this post so far
In Sweden everyone's tax return is public and available for everyone to see - the income from your website and Youtube is already included in the balance sheet
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