Chance of winning reduced if you are in the plus?

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Crypto

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Chance of winning reduced if you are in the plus?

18th Feb. 2020, at 11:24 pm CET#21

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startpage wrote on 18.02.2020 at 17:31
Sorry, but I think it can't be explained that simplistically. With lotto I know, the chance of winning

on a bull's eye lie with 1:140.000.000. In addition all money ranks are published.
It's no guarantee that they don't cheat, but it gives you a much better feeling
Feeling. And the numbers are drawn simply, and are not hidden behind a highly complex
Computer.

What do I know about slots? How many million spins do you have to play before you get to the "RTP"?
By the way, also such a cool word. Everything by chance, but there is a RTP? Yes what now?
If everything were really random and luck-based, there could be no RTP
May fit at 50:50 sometime, but 95 or 97%????

This shows how little you know about the subject. Occupy yourself once with the topic Stochastik. Then you would not ask these questions any more. With it you disqualify yourself

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18th Feb. 2020, at 11:44 pm CET#22

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Crypto wrote on 18.02.2020 at 23:24
This shows how little you know about the subject. You should learn more about stochastics. Then you would not ask these questions. So you disqualify yourself.

Only that stochastics is not used here, but a programmed algorithm.

This shows how little you know, and you disqualify yourself with your
first thread yourself.

But I don't care. You can gamble until private insolvency!

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Chance of winning reduced if you are in the plus?

19th Feb. 2020, at 12:00 am CET#23

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mk5jas wrote on 18.02.2020 at 22:27: I am for a survey here. Who thinks casinos cheat and still plays
Are certainly a lot
And for those could also be clearly proven that you are cheated, you still continue to play
The only thing that is clearly proven here is the stupidity of the people who still play although they think that it is not right.

I have to laugh

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Crypto

Forum posts: 124 Member since: 03.04.2018

Chance of winning reduced if you are in the plus?

19th Feb. 2020, at 08:39 am CET#24

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startpage wrote on 02/18/2020 at 23:44

Except that stochastic doesn't come into play here, but a programmed algorithm.

This shows how little you know, and you disqualify yourself with your
first thread yourself.

But I don't care. You can gamble until private insolvency!

Your statement does not change mine. We assume that a Random Number Generator (RNG) is used. A RNG is an algorithm, which determines a series of random numbers. There are different variations of this algorithm, which are also used in statistics
So we now have numbers that are generated by the same process (run of the RNG) and thus are not predictable for the individual case. With this we have arrived at stochastics. Congratulations. You learned something early this morning.

And now it is normal that to reach a reliable probability you need several runs. The more variations there are, the more passes you need. From the basis of the individual images that the slot can display (number of each individual symbol, number of paylines, and possibly an extra bonus game), you can calculate the RTP theoritically. In the random experiment then also practically comprehend

Thus a RTP is quite nameable. In my opinion, however, the RTP is often misjudged, because some people think it is their personal. It is about a player overlapping value. So one person could be lucky and win more often, but many others have to lose. And if you put them all together, you should get the RTP.

At least that's the theory

Of course, if you insist that it is an algorithm that does not work randomly but distributes wins, you probably don't care. I just wanted to show that RTP and random generator can be very well connected. It's just not as simple as with the coin toss, but it can be calculated.

Addendum
Why should I gamble until private insolvency, if I use what I can spare?

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supermode

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Chance of winning reduced if you are in the plus?

19th Feb. 2020, at 08:55 am CET#25

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I think in 9/10 cases it was so that someone who has registered for the first time in an OC and has gambled also won. I remember that at that time in one of the first 2-3 sessions came directly a x1000 at BoD, I have hardly experienced something like that again at Provider Play'N'Go. Let's assume the statement of Dotcom is correct, I would simply have to go into a slot of a provider in which I have never been - where then no data of me can be stored and if there is then a hit confirms it somewhere or do I see it wrong?

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Begbie

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Chance of winning reduced if you are in the plus?

19th Feb. 2020, at 09:05 am CET#26

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in addition, his theory would have to assume that all providers are networked with each other.

if I have a Big Win in a Netent game, then it should be enough to simply play another Provider to bypass the dry spell.

and that the providers are networked with each other is almost certainly impossible, as they are in competition with each other.

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Dbac79

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19th Feb. 2020, at 12:23 pm CET#27

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startpage wrote on 02/18/2020 at 17:31

What do I know about slots? How many million spins have to be played before you get to the "RTP"?
By the way, such an awesome word too. Everything by chance, but there is a RTP? Yes what now?
If everything were really random and luck-based, there could be no RTP
May fit at 50:50 sometime, but 95 or 97%????

coincidence is not what comes out of the spin for a picture / win but only whether you get me him or max mustermann this spin

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19th Feb. 2020, at 12:44 pm CET#28

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Crypto wrote on 02/19/2020 at 08:39 AM
Your statement does not change mine. We assume that a random number generator(RNG) is used. A RNG is an algorithm, which determines a series of random numbers. There are different variations of this algorithm, which are also used in statistics
So we now have numbers that are generated by the same process (run of the RNG) and thus are not predictable for the individual case. With this we have arrived at stochastics. Congratulations. You learned something early this morning.

And now it is normal that to reach a reliable probability you need several runs. The more variations there are, the more passes you need. From the basis of the individual images that the slot can display (number of each individual symbol, number of paylines, and possibly an extra bonus game), you can calculate the RTP theoritically. In the random experiment then also practically comprehend

Thus a RTP is quite nameable. In my opinion, however, the RTP is often misjudged, because some people think it is their personal. It is about a player overlapping value. So one person could be lucky and win more often, but many others have to lose. And if you put them all together, you should get the RTP.

At least that's the theory

Of course, if you insist that it is an algorithm that does not work randomly but distributes wins, you probably don't care. I just wanted to show that RTP and random generator can be very well connected. It's just not as simple as with the coin toss, but it can be calculated.

Addendum
Why should I gamble until private insolvency, if I use what I can spare?

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Your statement does not change mine!

You said it right, so far the theory.

It is difficult to prove this. It is only logical thinking that leads me to think that a commercial enterprise
wants to get the maximum win, even if it is not so legal. Especially when I am based far away,
no one actually controls me, and no one can sue me. Who wouldn't want to get their hands on that?
If I earn 20 or 50 million, it makes a difference. Why settle for 3 or 5% when it could be much more? Check it out
no one can check it anyway.

@DBC

If it were coincidence, then yes! Then I would always have the chance to win.
But that speaks against my almost 20 years of casino experience. (not only in the online area)
Some share this experience. If you subtract the ones who always think everything is a scam anyway, if they have
once deposited a twenty, there is still a lot
See your experience at DOD. 100k spins, andyou think that is completely normal
Even if you played with 18 cents, that's a total of 18k if you never cashed out.
There is no Big Win on 18 cent. And that is supposed to be normal?

@ Begbie

The fact that competing companies join together to form a cartel, e.g. to agree on forbidden price agreements, has happened in the past in almost every
in the past in almost every industry, so it is not as unusual as you make it out to be.

All that is needed is a database with all user data, to which all providers have access. This only indirectly means that they are working together.
They can continue to compete with each other. It's just to prevent some players from harming everyone.

My theory is just an approach of an absolute layman, how this could be done without it being noticed
And if such a thing occurs to me, then the Mr. Casinochefs nevertheless with security. Even in Germany, people are cheating
Stuff holds. I don't think that only good little lambs sit in Malta and Co.

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Dbac79

Forum posts: 2.012 Member since: 14.01.2019

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19th Feb. 2020, at 04:52 pm CET#29

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startpage wrote on 02/19/2020 at 12:44 PM

@DBC

If it was random, then yes! Then I would basically always have a chance to win.
But that speaks against my almost 20 years of casino experience. (not only in the online area)
Some share this experience. If you subtract the ones who always think everything is a scam anyway, if they have
once deposited a twenty, there is still a lot
See your experience at DOD. 100k spins, andyou think that is completely normal
Even if you played with 18 cents, that's a total of 18k if you never cashed out.
There is no Big Win on 18 cent. And that is supposed to be normal?

of course i think it is normal because i have 100k spins on other games and the rtp there is over 100%

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buba2212

Forum posts: 40 Member since: 06.09.2019

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26th Feb. 2020, at 05:31 pm CET#30

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So I believe in this theory.
I once had a win with Netent games, it was not a big win 300 € or so.
Then I went out and wanted to play another game, also Netent, in another casino.
Guess what happened? I played any Netent slots and they all went bad, no free spins or bonus. From the time the 300 € were down, I then suddenly had Free Spins or small larger wins.

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