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26th Dec. 2017, at 11:06 am CET#1
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First of all: I don't want to offend anyone here and I don't mean it in a bad or personal way...
but it really annoys me or I don't understand how every 2nd or 3rd thread is about "nothing works anymore", "everything is a scam" or "a big conspiracy".
It's clear that the casino always wins in the end anyway. Lucky and unlucky streaks are always part of it (even though I've only been playing for a few months, I can already say that myself and have experienced it).
If someone thinks that everything is just manipulated or the payout ratios are not correct, etc., then STOP PLAYING!
If casinos want to manipulate in the sense of VW, then they do it, you can not look behind the scenes - I try to bring Daniels train of thought here, because I also believe in it â€"> casinos will earn so much money that it would be unnecessary to manipulate accounts or slots. In addition, BigWins there are but regularly, also Jackpot distributions. I myself have won 16K on 2 euros, something like that would not happen in a manipulated casino, right? 95 or 96% does not mean that you get your money back directly...one in 100 vll then everything
Well, as I said, I noticed that and I wanted to get rid of it, love you all. Merry Christmas 🎠"🎠again!
Let's put it this way. If individual casinos had access to the process / to the payout ratios of the games, then fraud would be quite possible and also very likely that some economically weaker casinos would resort to such methods. However, this is not the case.
There are reasons why new Online Casinos or new casino groups set a monthly maximum payout of 10,000 €, 20,000 € per month or week. If everything was controlled by individual casinos and players could only win as soon as many players had lost before, then there would be no such payout limits. A casino would never try to delay payouts or make problems with payouts. The latter happens nowadays in online casinos with European gambling licenses almost not at all, because the players are now better educated - also thanks to GambleJoe and know where they can complain. Nowadays, a lot of "cheating" goes on via bonus money. Stickword 5€-Rule. I think this saves the casinos some costs. But that is another topic ...
If anyone is cheating in this game, it is not individual online casinos, but the game manufacturers like NetEnt, Novomatic, Microgaming, etc.
However, I don't think the big game manufacturers are manipulating or arbitrarily lowering any odds on a whim of the day. With Novomatic it was for a long time that they did not publish the odds because the competition from Merkur had the better odds in their games. The difference is not that big now but it was there. Novomatic didn't want to give themselves the nerve to have a worse payout ratio than the competition.
These game manufacturers are also in competition with each other and I think if a Manipulation comes out, then the competition would have a strong interest in this becoming public.
You just have to accept that it is gambling and in gambling you lose in the long run at the latest. You also have to accept that the chance of winning and losing is always the same. You don't have a higher chance of winning because you lost a lot in Casino XY or Game YZ. You can still lose. There are players who Deposit 20€ and play their way up to 50.000€. If something like that can happen, then logically it must also happen the other way around - and logically the other way around must also happen more often in the long run ...
Avantgarde83 wrote on 26.12.2017 at 11:06 am: First of all: I don't want to offend anyone here and I don't mean it in a bad or personal way...
but it really annoys me or I don't understand how every 2nd or 3rd thread is about "nothing works anymore", "everything is a scam" or "a big conspiracy".
It's clear that the casino always wins in the end anyway. Lucky and unlucky streaks are always part of it (even though I've only been playing for a few months, I can already say that myself and have experienced it).
If someone thinks that everything is just manipulated or the payout ratios are not correct, etc., then STOP PLAYING!
If casinos want to manipulate in the sense of VW, then they do it, you can not look behind the scenes - I try to bring Daniels train of thought here, because I also believe in it â€"> casinos will earn so much money that it would be unnecessary to manipulate accounts or slots. In addition, BigWins there are but regularly, also Jackpot distributions. I myself have won 16K on 2 euros, something like that would not happen in a manipulated casino, right? 95 or 96% does not mean that you get your money back directly...one in 100 vll then everything
Well, as I said, I noticed that and I wanted to get rid of it, love you all. Merry Christmas 🎠"🎠again!
also i don't want to offend anyone with my answer jhuer to your post and i don't mean it in a bad or personal way
most here because of conspiracy theories etc mean it probably only fun and so one should take it also.
If someone thinks that everything is just manipulated or the payout ratios are not correct etc, then STOP PLAYING!
in your situation I would have opened the same thread because if you have won 16k (no envy) you are in such a comfort zone where you feel safe.
all the others, so many here are also a bit addicted to gambling and want to get something out with their last possible bet and there you can quickly get the idea, if you lose, that all is cheating etc
until they win really big, then the thoughts stop
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26th Dec. 2017, at 01:26 pm CET#4
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Well, I've won the last few days zb always times what small, was always enough at most to save the deposit. Overall, but rather lost...went the last time nothing more than 50x or vll 100x win...
there are just both phases or times, so it is now times. But can of course be that I would see it differently without my current financial cushion.
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26th Dec. 2017, at 02:20 pm CET#5
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Iseedeadpeople wrote on 26.12.2017 at 13:10
Avantgarde83 wrote on 12/26/2017 at 11:06: First of all: I don't want to offend anyone here and I don't mean it in a bad or personal way...
but it really annoys me or I don't understand how every 2nd or 3rd thread is about "nothing works anymore", "everything is a scam" or "a big conspiracy".
It's clear that the casino always wins in the end anyway. Lucky and unlucky streaks are always part of it (even though I've only been playing for a few months, I can already say that myself and have experienced it).
If someone thinks that everything is just manipulated or the payout ratios are not correct, etc., then STOP PLAYING!
If casinos want to manipulate in the sense of VW, then they do it, you can not look behind the scenes - I try to bring Daniels train of thought here, because I also believe in it â€"> casinos will earn so much money that it would be unnecessary to manipulate accounts or slots. In addition, BigWins there are but regularly, also Jackpot distributions. I myself have won 16K on 2 euros, something like that would not happen in a manipulated casino, right? 95 or 96% does not mean that you get your money back directly...one in 100 vll then everything
Well, as I said, I noticed that and I wanted to get rid of it, love you all. Merry Christmas 🎠"🎠again!
also i don't want to offend anyone with my answer jhuer to your post and i don't mean it in a bad or personal way
most here because of conspiracy theories etc mean it probably only fun and so one should take it also.
If someone thinks that everything is just manipulated or the payout ratios are not correct etc, then STOP PLAYING!
in your situation I would have opened the same thread because if you have won like you 16k (no envy) you are in such a comfort zone where you feel safe.
all the others, so many here are also a bit addicted to gambling and want to get something out with their last possible bet and there you can quickly get the idea, if you lose, that all is cheating etc
until they win really big, then the thoughts stop
I have to agree with you! For many (including me) it is so that as soon as you win let's say nen Batzen say 2,000 € that you then inwardly has this feeling of security. One is so sure let's say at least at 1,500 to pay out... the limits you set yourself a few times until you are either back to 0 or you pay out only a fraction of it. The human being is greedy and can never have enough... in addition, the little man in the ear always tells you what kind of wins would still be possible and and and... These Highroller clips on YouTube are not exactly a help on the contrary, you get a completely false image imagined. In addition, most play with 500% Bonuses or with affilate money... so verballern not like us the hard bucked money.
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26th Dec. 2017, at 08:24 pm CET#6
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I agree with Avantgarde83. I also don't understand why you have to play if you think it's all cheating anyway. There is no compfort zone!!!
You win or lose. To scream yay when you win and cheat when you lose is...... I almost want to say pathetic
I also have a mega chunk of losses at casinos like Videoslots. However, this is a serious casino and I would not cry fraud just because I lose no matter how much it is
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Sorry, I have to get this off my chest!
26th Dec. 2017, at 08:26 pm CET#7
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True words Avantgarde83
I don't understand why people still play when they think they are being cheated.
Just leave it then and do something else with the money
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26th Dec. 2017, at 08:33 pm CET#8
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PiaMia221 wrote on 26/12/2017 at 20:26: True words Avantgarde83
I don't understand this myself why people still play when they think they are being cheated.
Just leave it then and do something else with the money
Hihi it is exactly the same. The people are already funny animals....😬
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26th Dec. 2017, at 09:07 pm CET#9
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vivera365 wrote on 26.12.2017 at 20:33
PiaMia221 wrote on 12/26/2017 at 8:26 pm: True words Avantgarde83
I don't understand this myself why people still play when they think they are being cheated.
Just leave it then and do something else with the money
Hihi it is exactly the same. People are funny animals....😬
I rarely rant about the casinos, more about the games themselves For example, I hate all the games of PlaynGo.... but still play them regularly But you have to admit that most of the games often scam... speak the show you "scarce" good wins so we think "oh crap, come on I'm playing now that looked pretty good I think he throws something"
That's how I see it...
Everyone has just his other opinion but I do not know... I do not mind that people scream fraud, because the frustration is very understandable sometimes.
In principle, you're right, but I'm often no different I must admit
are just both phases or times, that's the way it is. But of course it may be that I would see it differently without my current financial cushion.
that's exactly how it is and that's how you should be able to classify the fraud posts. if you lose often, it annoys you and everyone deals with it differently, in principle those who don't want to accept the blame for their own loss but prefer to be able to blame someone else.
when someone realizes he can't even buy himself something to eat because he has lost again, it is very difficult to grasp.
but if you know that you still have enough money in your account, the relief compensates for the loss.
it's all a matter of feeling and how you deal with it
Sorry, I have to get this off my chest!
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but it really annoys me or I don't understand how every 2nd or 3rd thread is about "nothing works anymore", "everything is a scam" or "a big conspiracy".
It's clear that the casino always wins in the end anyway. Lucky and unlucky streaks are always part of it (even though I've only been playing for a few months, I can already say that myself and have experienced it).
If someone thinks that everything is just manipulated or the payout ratios are not correct, etc., then STOP PLAYING!
If casinos want to manipulate in the sense of VW, then they do it, you can not look behind the scenes - I try to bring Daniels train of thought here, because I also believe in it â€"> casinos will earn so much money that it would be unnecessary to manipulate accounts or slots. In addition, BigWins there are but regularly, also Jackpot distributions. I myself have won 16K on 2 euros, something like that would not happen in a manipulated casino, right? 95 or 96% does not mean that you get your money back directly...one in 100 vll then everything
Well, as I said, I noticed that and I wanted to get rid of it, love you all. Merry Christmas 🎠"🎠again!
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There are reasons why new Online Casinos or new casino groups set a monthly maximum payout of 10,000 €, 20,000 € per month or week. If everything was controlled by individual casinos and players could only win as soon as many players had lost before, then there would be no such payout limits. A casino would never try to delay payouts or make problems with payouts. The latter happens nowadays in online casinos with European gambling licenses almost not at all, because the players are now better educated - also thanks to GambleJoe and know where they can complain. Nowadays, a lot of "cheating" goes on via bonus money. Stickword 5€-Rule. I think this saves the casinos some costs. But that is another topic ...
If anyone is cheating in this game, it is not individual online casinos, but the game manufacturers like NetEnt, Novomatic, Microgaming, etc.
However, I don't think the big game manufacturers are manipulating or arbitrarily lowering any odds on a whim of the day. With Novomatic it was for a long time that they did not publish the odds because the competition from Merkur had the better odds in their games. The difference is not that big now but it was there. Novomatic didn't want to give themselves the nerve to have a worse payout ratio than the competition.
These game manufacturers are also in competition with each other and I think if a Manipulation comes out, then the competition would have a strong interest in this becoming public.
You just have to accept that it is gambling and in gambling you lose in the long run at the latest. You also have to accept that the chance of winning and losing is always the same. You don't have a higher chance of winning because you lost a lot in Casino XY or Game YZ. You can still lose. There are players who Deposit 20€ and play their way up to 50.000€. If something like that can happen, then logically it must also happen the other way around - and logically the other way around must also happen more often in the long run ...
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Sorry, I have to get this off my chest!
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also i don't want to offend anyone with my answer jhuer to your post and i don't mean it in a bad or personal way
most here because of conspiracy theories etc mean it probably only fun and so one should take it also.
in your situation I would have opened the same thread because if you have won 16k (no envy) you are in such a comfort zone where you feel safe.
all the others, so many here are also a bit addicted to gambling and want to get something out with their last possible bet and there you can quickly get the idea, if you lose, that all is cheating etc
until they win really big, then the thoughts stop
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Sorry, I have to get this off my chest!
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there are just both phases or times, so it is now times. But can of course be that I would see it differently without my current financial cushion.
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I have to agree with you! For many (including me) it is so that as soon as you win let's say nen Batzen say 2,000 € that you then inwardly has this feeling of security. One is so sure let's say at least at 1,500 to pay out... the limits you set yourself a few times until you are either back to 0 or you pay out only a fraction of it. The human being is greedy and can never have enough... in addition, the little man in the ear always tells you what kind of wins would still be possible and and and... These Highroller clips on YouTube are not exactly a help on the contrary, you get a completely false image imagined. In addition, most play with 500% Bonuses or with affilate money... so verballern not like us the hard bucked money.
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Sorry, I have to get this off my chest!
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You win or lose. To scream yay when you win and cheat when you lose is...... I almost want to say pathetic
I also have a mega chunk of losses at casinos like Videoslots. However, this is a serious casino and I would not cry fraud just because I lose no matter how much it is
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Sorry, I have to get this off my chest!
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I don't understand why people still play when they think they are being cheated.
Just leave it then and do something else with the money
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Sorry, I have to get this off my chest!
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Hihi it is exactly the same. The people are already funny animals....😬
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Sorry, I have to get this off my chest!
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I rarely rant about the casinos, more about the games themselves For example, I hate all the games of PlaynGo.... but still play them regularly But you have to admit that most of the games often scam... speak the show you "scarce" good wins so we think "oh crap, come on I'm playing now that looked pretty good I think he throws something"
That's how I see it...
Everyone has just his other opinion but I do not know... I do not mind that people scream fraud, because the frustration is very understandable sometimes.
In principle, you're right, but I'm often no different I must admit
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that's exactly how it is and that's how you should be able to classify the fraud posts. if you lose often, it annoys you and everyone deals with it differently, in principle those who don't want to accept the blame for their own loss but prefer to be able to blame someone else.
when someone realizes he can't even buy himself something to eat because he has lost again, it is very difficult to grasp.
but if you know that you still have enough money in your account, the relief compensates for the loss.
it's all a matter of feeling and how you deal with it
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