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Online Casinos in general: Platincasino investigation proceedings for unauthorized gambling

Topic created on 02nd Nov. 2023 | Page: 1 of 2 | Answers: 28 | Views: 4,027
Max-Mustermann
Hello,
I have been informed by the police that I have participated in illegal gambling.

Stupid as I am, I thought that everything is fine there because you have to pay (taxes) on every spin.

Has evtl jmd a screenshot of the message where you got when logging in would like to show this.

And has one experience with what I have to expect and whether it makes sense to go directly to the lawyer or to fill out the questionnaire and take a stand.

Thanks in advance

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moralischverwerflich
Expert
Just do not respond. Are you not obliged to

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gamble1
Legend
Even if the questionnaire gives the impression you can justify yourself, this has primarily to confess the violation from your side! If now the police also your statement according to the motto but I did not know and did not want to put on file can you already fully look into the cards

Apart from that, as is well known, ignorance does not protect against punishment

Illegal gambling is forbidden but thereby you are certainly not a felon the chances are good for a setting because no prosecutor really wants to lead a trial because of such things as the raised tax as a rule in doubt for the accused would judge because now really the impression was created it would be allowed and you can simply not require the end customer to know every law

Even more so now that everyone feels online gambling by the ads where on every corner on TV run how to know what is allowed and what is not when the site is in German and even PayPal and bank transfer are offered as a Deposit method no one can demand to know the treaty apart from most would not even understand this

I think you should not pursue such things at all we have by far bigger problems in this country than to punish someone because he spends his money on which he has usually already paid tax they should take care of the important things times

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frapi07
Expert

gamble1 wrote on 02.11.2023 at 11:01 am: Even if the questionnaire gives the impression you can justify yourself this has primarily to confess the violation from your side! If now the police even your statement under the motto but I did not know and did not want to put on file can you already fully look into the cards

Apart from it protects as is known ignorance not before punishment

Illegal gambling is forbidden but thereby you are certainly not a felon the chances are good for a setting because no prosecutor really wants to lead a trial because of such things as the raised tax as a rule in doubt for the accused would judge because now really the impression was created it would be allowed and you can simply not require the end customer to know every law

Even more so now that everyone feels online gambling by the ads where on every corner on TV run how to know what is allowed and what is not when the site is in German and even PayPal and bank transfer are offered as a Deposit method no one can demand to know the treaty apart from most would not even understand this

I think you should not pursue such things at all we have by far bigger problems in this country than to punish someone because he spends his money on which he has usually already paid tax, they should take care of the more important things

Where did you last see Platin advertised on TV? Platin was mentioned by some rappers yes, but since 2021 I have not noticed that Platin, Pino and co. Have had TV commercials placed.

But it is prosecuted because you also evade taxes. That's why it's been declared illegal - and not because the games are rigged or unfair.

By the way, I would advise the TE not to make a statement. You only incriminate yourself.

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WithoutWings
Top Member
May I ask if this was preceded by an account termination? Otherwise I do not know how they should have come to you. Lg

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gamble1
Legend
frapi07 wrote on 02.11.2023 at 11:43 am:

Where was the last time you saw ads for Platin on TV? Platin has been mentioned by some rappers yes, but since 2021 I haven't noticed Platin, Pino and co. Have had TV commercials placed.

But it is prosecuted because you also evade taxes. That's why it's been declared illegal - and not because the games are rigged or unfair.

By the way, I would advise the TE not to make a statement. You only incriminate yourself.

Not for Platin but if but now 10 DE Buden their extreme to some extent slightly disturbing advertising where to see through there as an end customer with which rules that is connected ? In addition, some permitted casinos also take the tax per spin then which by Deposit fees and again others by RTP reduction

I would argue there as a lawyer how to please as an end customer to see through there especially since the casino has collected taxes which has also given the impression of a legal offer

The treaty is not necessarily written in simple German if one has at all of this something mitbekommen because the Otto Normalverbraucher is not concerned with something like that squats there zockt on 0.10 € his Book of Ra and then stops again

Edit: Then the site is still in German and some even advertise with Made in Germany so I see there no blame on the player

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Max-Mustermann
No, the account has not been terminated.
The questionnaire states that a suspicious activity report was received from the Central Office for Financial Transaction Investigations of the General Customs Directorate in Cologne

Do you think a lawyer is superfluous?

I would have possibly if someone had a screenshot of the message with it to the police and would have said I did not know it there was something about taxes on each log in.

Of course the letter came shortly after Platincasino has removed the message when logging in

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WithoutWings
Top Member

Max-Mustermann wrote on 02.11.2023 at 15:00: No an account termination has not happened.
In the questionnaire it says that a suspicious activity report came from the Central Office for Financial Transaction Investigations of the General Customs Directorate in Cologne

Do you think a lawyer is superfluous?

I would have evtl if jmd a screenshot of the message would have gone with it to the police and would have said I did not know it there was what of taxes with each log in.

Of course the letter came shortly after Platincasino has removed the message when logging in

Do you have a lot of small or larger sums paid in and out? I have been there for years until recently regular customers. Is there a period with it?

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Falko
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frapi07 wrote on 02.11.2023 at 11:43:Where did you last see advertising for Platin on TV? Platin has been mentioned by some rappers yes, but since 2021 I haven't noticed Platin, Pino and co. Have had TV commercials placed.

But it is prosecuted because you also evade taxes. That's why it's been declared illegal - and not because the games are rigged or unfair.

By the way, I would advise the TE not to make a statement. You only incriminate yourself.

Apart from that, I look at European football, then I see a lot of casinos that are advertised by perimeter advertising. Since we are a unified EU, many players from Germany will certainly have registered in these casinos through this advertising. I would have found it better if one had implemented an EU uniform gambling law and not this piecemeal.

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frapi07
Expert

gamble1 wrote on 02.11.2023 at 14:39 Clock:
Not for Platin but if but now 10 DE stalls their extremely to some extent slightly disturbing advertising switch where to see through there as an end customer with which rules that is connected ? Still in addition some permitted casinos take the tax also per spin then which by Deposit fees and again others by RTP lowering

I would argue there as a lawyer how to please as an end customer to see through there especially since the casino has collected taxes which has also given the impression of a legal offer

The treaty is not necessarily written in simple German if one has at all of this something mitbekommen since the Otto Normalverbraucher is not concerned with something like that squats there zockt on 0.10 € his Book of Ra and then stops again

Edit: Then the site is still in German and some even advertise with Made in Germany so I see there no blame on the player

But the advertising of the DE booths are legitimate and completely legal, even if the booths suck. I agree with you though that the aggressive marketing of these booths is not good. But other companies do the same.

You can argue as a lawyer as you want - I think that you could not convince the judges with this argumentation. Ignorance is no excuse. The same argument can be used for illegal machines. How do you know that a machine is illegal? By the way, I also fell for it once. There was a betting office near me that had set up an illegal machine. It was possible to bet up to 20€ per spin. That was 2020 - there were already the regulations that a machine may not take more than 60€/h, you can throw in max. 10€ at once, etc. I have there once from jaßshalber 100€ purebuttert and that has a 50€ immediately accepted and was immediately also available as a credit. The machine was removed or turned off a few months later. Imagine if you are caught at the control. You are then accused as a player that you have participated in an illegal gambling. Is it your fault here? Partly, yes, because as a consumer you also have to know what is legal or illegal.

That is why I advised the TE not to comment on it. Several people have suggested the same thing. You only burden yourself and cause yourself unnecessary stress. So far, nothing has happened. At some point, the procedure will be discontinued.

Falko wrote on 02.11.2023 at 17:01:

Apart from that I gugge European football, then I see a lot of casinos that are advertised by gang advertising. Since we are a unified EU, through this advertising certainly many players from Germany have already registered in these casinos. I would have found it better if one had implemented an EU uniform gambling law and not this piecemeal.

How do you want to prevent something like this? Censor the advertising? The problem with a European regulation is that each country is allowed to design it itself. There are certainly many points that suit the German authorities, but not the Belgian ones. It is difficult to find a compromise. Which providers are you actually talking about? For example, you cannot register for Italian providers, be it casinos or betting providers. Likewise, an Italian who watches the Bundesliga and receives Tipico advertising cannot register for it.

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Falko
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frapi07 wrote on 02.11.2023 at 19:28:

How are you going to prevent something like this? Censor the advertising? The problem with a European regulation is that each country is allowed to design it themselves. There are certainly many points that suit the German authorities, but not the Belgian. It is difficult to find a compromise. Which providers are you actually talking about? For example, you cannot register for Italian providers, be it casinos or betting providers. Likewise, an Italian who watches the Bundesliga and receives Tipico advertising cannot register for it.

Betclic and Spassino come to mind spontaneously, which I often see as perimeter advertising in European soccer leagues.

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frapi07
Expert
Falko wrote on 02.11.2023 at 20:05:

Betclic and Spassino come to mind off the top of my head now, which I often see as perimeter advertising in European soccer leagues.

With Betclic I can not even visit the page and Spassino was actually advertised among other things also at the EM-Quali onm banner in Bosnia u. Herzegovina. But you have to say that you can only Deposit as a German by means of crypto. Those who have the know-how to make deposits there will probably also know which OC they are visiting.

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gamble1
Legend

frapi07 wrote on 02.11.2023 at 19:28:

How are you going to prevent something like this? Censor the advertising? The problem with a European regulation is that each country is allowed to design it themselves. There are certainly many points that suit the German authorities, but not the Belgian. It is difficult to find a compromise. Which providers are you actually talking about? For example, you cannot register for Italian providers, be it casinos or betting providers. Likewise, an Italian who watches the Bundesliga and receives Tipico advertising cannot register for it.

I have said ignorance does not protect against punishment but if a Provider has PayPal and Giropay (a product of German banks) and deducts taxes and the page is in German, you can argue you knew nothing about it, they would have to grab the provider and not the small player


To your story I think I know the devices that are actually entertainment machines where one or the other has converted and even if it was a normal with the possibility of winning the have been banned even before 2020 since for the private sector and offline devices the PTB with the Technical Guideline 5 then Tr.4 is responsible

Thus, such devices without limit I mean already 2006 or 2009 have been banned

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frapi07
Expert

gamble1 wrote on 02.11.2023 at 23:32:

I said ignorance does not protect against punishment but if a Provider has PayPal and Giropay (a product of German banks) and also deducts taxes and the site is in German you can argue that you didn't know anything because they should rather grab the provider and not the small player


To your story I think I know the devices that are actually entertainment machines where one or the other has rebuilt and even if it was a normal one with the possibility of winning they were also banned before 2020 because the PTB is responsible for the private sector and offline devices with the Technical Guideline 5 then Tr.4

This means that such devices without a limit were already banned in 2006 or 2009

I can understand why some players think that everything is legal because of the possible Deposit methods.

I don't know, the guy always had to reset it if you wanted to withdraw your money. I always suspected that he had to do this because it was simply not connected to the network and not because it was actually an amusement machine. It was a Novo machine, very old (2005 approx.). There were only 2-3 games and in the game selection the games were oval. I only played it because I wanted to play high I think I hit 10 spins, but I can't remember.

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Donnie
Expert
Platin is now a Curaçao booth, it's that simple. Just get a new license and you're good to go

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