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Online Casinos in general: my story with a huge win of 450,000 euros and the misfortune that followed (Page 7)

Topic created on 17th Jan. 2024 | Page: 7 of 10 | Answers: 137 | Views: 9,921
frapi07
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21st Jan. 2024, at 11:02 am CET#91
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mtorero wrote on 20.01.2024 at 19:51:

That's your opinion and that's ok. I was just commenting here on how I see it from my perspective, and recalling that old Southpark episode that was critical of the sudden hype around addictions.


I don't deny that there are people with addiction problems and some are better at dealing with it than others.
But for me, it's just not a disease you can get.

If someone destroys their life through addiction and drags family members into it, for example, they are weak in my eyes.

If someone runs amok into a school and shoots x number of children, I think he is weak and more... but not mentally ill.

If a pedophile abuses children, it's not his fault because he's a sex addict and sick and can't control himself?

You can't justify and excuse every mistake people make as an illness, but I repeat myself, this is just my opinion and I don't want to force it on anyone.

I love gaming because I enjoy it and I will never stop but I couldn't if my wife or child had to suffer. There were times when I was younger and weak and played too much, but I wasn't sick because of it.

I really thought long and hard about whether I should leave it uncommented. Some of the statements are really out of line. How can you not see people who run amok as mentally ill? How can you not see pedophiles as sick? Such people are in a state that does not correspond to normality. I can't tell you what it feels like, but look at how sick some people who run amok are. They no longer have any sense.

I think I know what you mean by mentally ill. I assume you mean people who have a mental disability, right?

Mental illness and mental disability are two completely different aspects that denote different medical conditions. "Mental illness" or mental disorder can be defined as a medical condition that temporarily restricts thinking, mood, emotions and many other things.
Mental disabilities refer to intellectual functions that are severely underdeveloped and therefore severely impair social adaptation.

A mental disorder is therefore about emotions (depression), among other things, but also about cognitive distortions (addiction, among other things). No matter what type of mental disorder, it affects your health, ergo it is an illness. But please don't ask me for more details, I didn't study psychology and didn't have it as a subject at school.

Now back to your examples: if a person has an emotional disorder, then they are also temporarily ill. Someone who has the desire to kill is sick! Having such an emotion is not normal and is not considered healthy. You are welcome to disagree. I've explained it to you as objectively and nicely as I can, and believe me, I found it really difficult to keep my composure in some sentences.

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R3hab
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21st Jan. 2024, at 11:55 am CET#92
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It doesn't matter, you two don't have to convince anyone
Every opinion has a right to exist
So have a good Sunday

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frapi07
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21st Jan. 2024, at 12:09 pm CET#93
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Peter8 wrote on 21.01.2024 at 11:55: It doesn't matter, you two don't have to convince anyone
Every opinion has its right to exist
So have a nice Sunday

I don't want to convince anyone here. Everyone has their own opinion, but if certain statements are made that are not okay, then you're allowed to rant a little, aren't you?

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mtorero
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21st Jan. 2024, at 12:52 pm CET#94
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frapi07 wrote on January 21st, 2024 at 11:02 am:
I really thought long and hard about whether I should leave it uncommented. Some of the statements are really out of line. How can you not consider a spree killer to be mentally ill? How can you not see pedophiles as sick? Such people are in a state that does not correspond to normality. I can't tell you what it feels like, but look at how sick some people who run amok are. They no longer have any sense.

I think I know what you mean by mentally ill. I assume you mean people who have a mental disability, right?

Mental illness and mental disability are two completely different aspects that denote different medical conditions. "Mental illness" or mental disorder can be defined as a medical condition that temporarily restricts thinking, mood, emotions and many other things.
Mental disabilities refer to intellectual functions that are severely underdeveloped and therefore severely impair social adaptation.

A mental disorder is therefore about emotions (depression), among other things, but also about cognitive distortions (addiction, among other things). No matter what type of mental disorder, it affects your health, ergo it is an illness. But please don't ask me for more details, I didn't study psychology and didn't have it as a subject at school.

Now back to your examples: if a person has an emotional disorder, then they are also temporarily ill. Someone who has the desire to kill is sick! Having such an emotion is not normal and is not considered healthy. You are welcome to disagree. I've explained it to you as objectively and nicely as I can, and believe me, I found it really difficult to keep my composure in some sentences.


How does a mental disorder affect my health?

Does it cause physical complaints?
The majority of people will have some kind of mental disorder, nobody is perfect.
Not everyone who develops a desire to kill goes out and murders, otherwise we would have tens of thousands of mass murders every day.
But there is a small proportion who then act on their desire to kill, and I think it's wrong to call this an illness and excuse it.

An example: the stabber in Würzburg who killed three women and injured others is now in a psychiatric ward and will never see the inside of a prison, unlike GEZ payment refusers.
Could you tell the relatives of those killed to their faces that the perpetrator is innocent because he is ill?

Homosexuality, for example, is also a mental disorder, so would you say that all gays/lesbians are sick?

If every little mental disorder means that you are sick, then we are all sick and the devil is rubbing his hands.

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21st Jan. 2024, at 01:55 pm CET#95
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mtorero wrote on 21.01.2024 at 12:52:
How does a mental disorder affect my health?

Does it cause physical discomfort?
A majority of people will have some sort of mental disorder, no one is perfect.
Not every person who develops a desire to kill goes out and murders, otherwise we would have tens of thousands of mass murders every day.
But there is a small proportion who then act on their desire to kill, and I think it's wrong to call this an illness and excuse it.

An example: the stabber in Würzburg who killed three women and injured others is now in a psychiatric ward and will never see the inside of a prison, unlike GEZ payment refusers.
Could you tell the relatives of those killed to their faces that the perpetrator is innocent because he is ill?

Homosexuality, for example, is also a mental disorder, so would you say that all gays/lesbians are sick?

If every little mental disorder means you are sick then we are all sick and the devil is rubbing his hands.

It limits your reason. If you're already talking about Würzburg: the guy won't get out either. He's mentally ill, I'll stick to that. No sane person would do something like that. Just like this guy who comes from Herne and murdered a child + a man. They are psychopaths. Psychopaths are sick people.

No, homosexuality is not a mental disorder/disease. Even the WHO no longer recognizes it as an illness since 1990. It is a sexual orientation.

Not everything is a mental disorder, we clearly agree on that. But something like depression, which I have suffered from myself, or other "conditions" are a health Risk for people. Depression can lead to you neglecting or hurting yourself. Consequence: you can die from it. Gambling addiction can destroy you internally, and we're not talking about the financial aspect here. There are gamblers who relapse again and again. Do they do it on purpose? I don't know, but some probably don't. If you've had any experience with alcoholics, you'll know how difficult withdrawal can be for some. If you take a beer away from me, then I'll just drink water and not cause myself any problems. But if you take the beer away from the alcoholic, you're basically taking the air out of him.

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Dutch78
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21st Jan. 2024, at 02:40 pm CET#96
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mtorero wrote on 21.01.2024 at 12:52: Homosexuality, for example, is also a mental disorder, would you therefore say that all gays/lesbians are sick?

Since when is homosexuality a mental disorder? Is that just your opinion, or are there substantiated reports and research from reputable sources that you are referring to?

You are stigmatizing and discriminating against gays, which is the only thing that can lead to mental disorders in them.

The whole LGBTQ is completely compatible with a normal and, from your point of view, healthy life.

There is nothing abnormal here, but rather facets of human sexuality.

I completely understand if you say it's not for me, but who or what allows you to declare the sexuality of others as a mental disorder just because it deviates from your "normality"?

As long as everything is within the law, everyone should be allowed to do what they want, which includes loving whoever they want.

I think it's a shame that you feel this way, but you too can have a rethink about this.

I always think it's good when people think outside the box, inform themselves outside the mainstream in order to form an opinion, thinking "differently" has had a significant influence on humanity, but that's another topic.

I just want to understand the basis on which you came to the conclusion that homosexuality is a mental disorder.

If I had to guess, I would assume the 1960s as the basis for forming this opinion, as alcoholism was not yet considered an illness.

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frapi07
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21st Jan. 2024, at 03:07 pm CET#97
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Dutch78 wrote on January 21st, 2024 at 2:40 pm:

Since when is homosexuality a mental disorder? Is that just your opinion, or are there substantiated reports and research from reputable sources that you are referring to?

You're stigmatizing and discriminating against gays, that's the only thing that can lead to mental disorders in them.

The whole LGBTQ is completely compatible with a normal and, from your point of view, healthy life.

There is nothing abnormal here, but rather facets of human sexuality.

I completely understand if you say it's not for me, but who or what allows you to declare the sexuality of others as a mental disorder just because it deviates from your "normality"?

As long as everything is within the law, everyone should be allowed to do what they want, which includes loving whoever they want.

I think it's a shame that you feel this way, but you too can have a rethink about this.

I always think it's good when people think outside the box, inform themselves outside the mainstream in order to form an opinion, thinking "differently" has had a significant influence on humanity, but that's another topic.

I just want to understand the basis on which you came to the conclusion that homosexuality is a mental disorder.

If I had to guess, I would assume the 1960s as the basis for forming this opinion, as alcoholism was not yet considered an illness.

The World Health Organization (WHO) considered homosexuality to be a mental illness until 1990.

33 years ago today: The end of a "disease" (tagesspiegel.de)




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21st Jan. 2024, at 03:31 pm CET#98
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frapi07 wrote on 21.01.2024 at 13:55:

It limits your sanity. If you're talking about Würzburg: the guy won't get out either. He's mentally ill, I'll stick to that. No sane person would do something like that. Just like this guy who comes from Herne and murdered a child + a man. They are psychopaths. Psychopaths are sick people.

No, homosexuality is not a mental disorder/disease. Even the WHO no longer recognizes it as an illness since 1990. It is a sexual orientation.

Not everything is a mental disorder, we clearly agree on that. But something like depression, which I have suffered from myself, or other "conditions" are dangerous to a person's health. Depression can lead to you neglecting or hurting yourself. Consequence: you can die from it. Gambling addiction can destroy you internally, and we're not talking about the financial aspect here. There are gamblers who relapse again and again. Do they do it on purpose? I don't know, but some probably don't. If you've had experience with alcoholics, you'll know how difficult withdrawal can be for some. If you take a beer away from me, I'll just drink water and not cause myself any problems. But if you take the beer away from the alcoholic, you're basically taking the air out of him.

That's the difference, for me they are criminals who should be punished, for you they are sick people who need medical help. To each his own opinion.


I have absolutely nothing against homosexuals or other sexually oriented people, but it is not normal in the sense that nature intended. Two people of the same sex cannot reproduce.
But that doesn't make you sick, which is something I keep repeating

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21st Jan. 2024, at 04:11 pm CET#99
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I think the discussion is once again reaching a point where people are arguing about terminology and therefore have little sense.

Almost everyone would say that homosexuality is not a disease, while at the same time almost everyone would say that pedophilia is a disease. Yet both are sexual tendencies. However, while no third parties are harmed in the case of one (to be precise, no one is harmed), the most defenceless people are harmed in the case of paedophilia and should of course be punished in the harshest possible way.

Sometimes third parties (family, relatives, children who don't have enough to eat) are harmed while playing and people harm themselves.

Perhaps we can agree here that anything that causes enormous harm to oneself or third parties can somehow be described as pathological. Nobody wants to harm themselves, but that's what happens with excessive gambling or alcohol consumption.

And by pathological I mean in the sense of needing help, in need of treatment.




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21st Jan. 2024, at 05:58 pm CET#103
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Some people are drifting completely off topic here. 😜

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21st Jan. 2024, at 10:36 pm CET#104
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needle34 wrote on 21.01.2024 at 17:58: Some people are drifting completely off topic here. 😜

Always the same ^^

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21st Jan. 2024, at 10:46 pm CET#105
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Peter8 wrote on 21.01.2024 at 22:36:

Always the same ^^

I understand the threader very much it is very rare to have bigwins. The problem is you don't have this money in your hand but at the casino in the bank. Also the payout used to be much better now every payout is checked or you make 5000 per week only a few casinos are accommodating to transfer such sums directly..then you have the money in the account and your bank makes theater basically you are very limited as a German now unfortunately. For me, if I win big, I pay out directly and don't log in again because I would then continue playing. That's why I've gambled away a lot in gambling halls, I have no patience, booking over was horror, waiting is horror. All in all, I think that the person posting the thread needed many months to come to terms with the fact that he has blown a proud 350000 euros ?

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22nd Jan. 2024, at 03:28 pm CET#106
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imsoql


i wrote to support and they actually still have access to the old account.

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22nd Jan. 2024, at 03:31 pm CET#107
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frapi07 wrote on 20/01/2024 04:50:
Yes, but in a situation like that 99.9% would never come anyway. Imagine the following: You bet €1 and win €1000. It's a lot of money, but it doesn't particularly excite you. That's why many people have no problem continuing to play. At €10,000 it's more awesome, but even there some would continue to play. I mean, you know this typical gambler thinking. "If I lose it, then I haven't lost anything because I haven't deposited anything". With €100,000, I think most people would be so flashed that they would cash it out first. Most people wouldn't get to 450k or play like the TE did.

But to get to the point: you shouldn't get angry about the past. Whether gambled away, squandered... whatever. It's over. Would the TE have become much richer with the extra 350k? No. Would his life have changed dramatically? No. I also don't understand why the TE thinks that he would have completely changed his life with 350k. I mean, yes, half a million is not little, but a "life changer"? It would have been a life changer if you had bought 5000 Bitcoins for 1€ and sold them for 60k ^^ Or if you won 25-30 million upwards in the lottery, but not half a million To the TE, I can only recommend the documentaries about the Bubberts. You can see how quickly you can get rid of money.


sry but anyone who doesn't manage to become independent with half a million or doesn't see this as a life changer is either already very wealthy and hasn't yet had problems such as "how do I pay my rent" or is simply stupid

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22nd Jan. 2024, at 07:18 pm CET#108
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imsoql wrote on January 22nd, 2024 at 3:31 pm:

sry but whoever does not manage to become independent with half a million or does not see this as a life changer is either already very wealthy and has not yet had problems such as "how do i pay my rent" or is simply stupid

For me, life changer means: a passive income (from €2000 net/month) without having to lift a finger. You can't do that on 450k. Half a million in start-up capital can get you off to a faster start, but nothing more. No matter where you want to start, you have to put money in first. These days, a good kiosk will cost you €100,000 in start-up capital. It's also understandable that a kiosk doesn't run by itself.

If I won half a million, I would see it as a small relief, but nothing more. I would feel more "relaxed" because I could continue to finance my life for possible scenarios (redundancy etc.).

With €450,000, you can buy a family home in need of renovation in my area if you're lucky, but by no means a renovated house. You can of course live in a house in need of renovation, but you can tell the difference. I live in a rented house. It was completely renovated 10 years ago. The house was insulated from the outside, among other things. Since then, I no longer have to heat the house in winter. Quite the opposite: I can even leave the windows open all day and then close them and it's warm again in an hour. I had to pay €50 in heating costs last year. That was definitely more in the past.

Now I don't know your living situation. Maybe you're alone and just need an apartment. The money would be enough for that, of course. But if you have a larger family, then you certainly wouldn't be interested in an apartment.

Finally, I can give you a piece of wisdom: never underestimate the naivety of humanity. Unfortunately, there are people who are either too naive or generally don't know how to handle money. This doesn't always have anything to do with stupidity.

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