Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling?
7th Jun. 2023, at 12:36 am CEST#17
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Aleks6 wrote on 06/06/2023 at 22:24: Hello,
have TODAY received an email from Lottohelden, with the note that the payment has failed. Now I should pay for the 02.06.23 game still 3.50 Eur.
Unfortunately, only after I have thoroughly researched the company, I realized that this is a secondary lottery, which is illegal in Germany. Do I understand correctly: can I ignore the coming reminders from Lottohelden?
Thanks in advance for your comments based on experience!
LG
ALEKS
So they have their headquarters in Malta and are therefore in the EU. Theoretically, they could sell the Debt to a debt collection company in Germany and then collect it. They can then get everything necessary and possibly even an account garnishment and a Schufa entry on you. I have just researched and would have estimated before the research rather that no company makes this effort, but as can be seen here, a bakery has called in a collection agency for a 9.90€ claim and this has led to the fact that in the end the account was seized and 10€ quickly became 280€. It shouldn't fall that high anymore since there are lower costs since 2021, but yes, I would also advise you to pay the 3,50€. It's not the world and you get no nasty surprises.
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10th Jan. 2024, at 10:57 pm CET#20
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frapi07 wrote on 07.06.2023 at 00:36:
So they are based in Malta and are therefore in the EU. Theoretically, they could sell the Debt to a debt collection company in DE and they would then collect it. They can then get everything they need and you could even face an account seizure and a Schufa entry. I've just done some research and would have guessed beforehand that no company would go to this trouble, but as you can see here, a bakery called in a debt collection company for a €9.90 debt and this led to the account being seized in the end and €10 quickly turned into €280. It shouldn't fall that high anymore, as there have been lower costs since 2021, but yes, I would also advise you to pay the €3.50. It's not that much and you won't get any nasty surprises.
They can't do anything and they won't do anything. And if they do, then point out the illegal gambling in a friendly manner.
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11th Jan. 2024, at 02:28 am CET#21
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Falke wrote on January 10th, 2024 at 10:57 pm:
They can't do anything and they won't do anything. And if they do, then kindly point out the illegal gambling.
But they'll go through with it and for 3.50 it's not worth the effort - I once had something similar, or rather someone in my circle demanded the money from the Debt collector despite pointing it out with a different justification - it even went as far as a yellow letter
@redangel pay the 300 and that's fine if you can get away that cheaply I wouldn't take any risks
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11th Jan. 2024, at 08:28 pm CET#23
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morallyreprehensible wrote on 11.01.2024 09:08:
How could they prove that to you, please?
That must have come from the bank, but I have to say that I was so stupid and naive, when my bank advisor asked me what the turnover was (many deposits and withdrawals) I thought it was from the online casino, long story short, she wanted the name of the casino, of course I gave it out because I didn't want any trouble and I wasn't aware of it either, because the casino was advertised by a Streamer 😂
But what's funny is that the summons said something about the time of the offense in August and that with the bank advisor was at the beginning of 2023... and she said then we'll leave it at a warning, after that I only played on whitelist, so to speak.
Accordingly, I properly canceled the summons without giving any information shortly before Christmas and now the penalty order of 30 daily rates of €10 each came, so I think that's the least there is 🙈 makes just under €400 with fees....
The penalty order also states the time from when to when I played and also the amount I won / paid out. Just under 4000€, I took the trouble to calculate everything and came up with a difference of 1650€ plus..
I'll definitely talk to my bank advisor once I've paid this, what the f**k, she could have told me that she still has to report me 😂🫶🏻
Soooo not doing anything is also the wrong way to go, it's better to get a lawyer from the start.... 😂
I could of course lodge an objection, get a lawyer etc., but do I want to lose the case and then have even higher costs? No thanks 😂 Lesson learned, stupidity doesn't protect you from punishment and neither does ignorance 😂
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12th Jan. 2024, at 03:36 pm CET#26
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morallyreprehensible wrote on 11.01.2024 09:08:
How could they prove that to you, please?
Transaction list of the bank and Google is enough! Most casinos don't even use Trustly or something like that, but the statement says Casino XYZ thanks or something like that
If these are only transactions from PPRO it will be more difficult because even Klarna uses this Provider to process payments
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So they have their headquarters in Malta and are therefore in the EU. Theoretically, they could sell the Debt to a debt collection company in Germany and then collect it. They can then get everything necessary and possibly even an account garnishment and a Schufa entry on you. I have just researched and would have estimated before the research rather that no company makes this effort, but as can be seen here, a bakery has called in a collection agency for a 9.90€ claim and this has led to the fact that in the end the account was seized and 10€ quickly became 280€. It shouldn't fall that high anymore since there are lower costs since 2021, but yes, I would also advise you to pay the 3,50€. It's not the world and you get no nasty surprises.
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I received a summons and canceled it.
Now the penalty order came, they were able to prove that I won almost 4000€.
Fine 300€ ....
Anything else to come? Fees etc. Or maybe even the tax office?
Should I get a lawyer and lodge an objection?
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Do I understand correctly that you made a win of 4000 euros but have to pay a fine of just 300 euros?
That alone is worth playing abroad with the better RTP
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They can't do anything and they won't do anything. And if they do, then point out the illegal gambling in a friendly manner.
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But they'll go through with it and for 3.50 it's not worth the effort - I once had something similar, or rather someone in my circle demanded the money from the Debt collector despite pointing it out with a different justification - it even went as far as a yellow letter
@redangel pay the 300 and that's fine if you can get away that cheaply I wouldn't take any risks
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How could they prove this to you?
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That must have come from the bank, but I have to say that I was so stupid and naive, when my bank advisor asked me what the turnover was (many deposits and withdrawals) I thought it was from the online casino, long story short, she wanted the name of the casino, of course I gave it out because I didn't want any trouble and I wasn't aware of it either, because the casino was advertised by a Streamer 😂
But what's funny is that the summons said something about the time of the offense in August and that with the bank advisor was at the beginning of 2023... and she said then we'll leave it at a warning, after that I only played on whitelist, so to speak.
Accordingly, I properly canceled the summons without giving any information shortly before Christmas and now the penalty order of 30 daily rates of €10 each came, so I think that's the least there is 🙈 makes just under €400 with fees....
The penalty order also states the time from when to when I played and also the amount I won / paid out. Just under 4000€, I took the trouble to calculate everything and came up with a difference of 1650€ plus..
I'll definitely talk to my bank advisor once I've paid this, what the f**k, she could have told me that she still has to report me 😂🫶🏻
Soooo not doing anything is also the wrong way to go, it's better to get a lawyer from the start.... 😂
I could of course lodge an objection, get a lawyer etc., but do I want to lose the case and then have even higher costs? No thanks 😂 Lesson learned, stupidity doesn't protect you from punishment and neither does ignorance 😂
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So deducted from the depositors, that leaves just under €1650 ... in 2 months 😂
30 daily rates received, so really very low fortunately 🙏🙏
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Can you tell me whether you transferred directly from the casino to the bank or to an e-wallet?
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Transaction list of the bank and Google is enough! Most casinos don't even use Trustly or something like that, but the statement says Casino XYZ thanks or something like that
If these are only transactions from PPRO it will be more difficult because even Klarna uses this Provider to process payments
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Yes, always directly, to instant depositor. As I said, stupid and naive, just didn't know about the whitelist 😂
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