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Online Casinos in general: DAMA N.V. - Group - Bonus conditions (Page 3)

Topic created on 20th Oct. 2024 | Page: 3 of 4 | Answers: 50 | Views: 1,824
Pat1991
Top Member
Bad example. Imagine the Coke has the same weight, the same size and the same layout, and the supermarket just writes "Coca Cola" and the price on it.

At the very back, in a place where nobody would normally look, the contents are written in ML.

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frapi07
Elite

Pat1991 wrote on 21.10.2024 at 19:23: Bad example. Imagine the Coke has the same weight, the same size and the same layout, and the supermarket just writes "Coca Cola" and the price on it.

At the very bottom, in a place where nobody would normally look, the contents are written in ML.

Yes, it's sneaky, but you learn that at the very beginning of your "gaming career", especially when you claim Bonuses and fall for sneaky traps.

I didn't pay attention to that in the past either and who knows how much I lost. Just thinking about that Platin "tax"... and that's only because I was too lazy and Platin was admittedly very quick to pay out and rarely gave me a headache.

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Stromberg
Legend
Pat1991 wrote on 21.10.2024 at 19:23: Bad example. Imagine the Coke has the same weight, the same size and the same layout, and the supermarket just writes "Coca Cola" and the price on it.

At the very back, in a place where nobody would normally look, the contents are written in ML.

If the size and layout are the same, the bottle with 50 ml less content cannot have the same weight 😬

Unless you were to use more packaging material with the same layout, but then you could just as well put the 50 ml of the bottle back in, it's probably even cheaper😄

But I understand what you mean. Funnily enough, there doesn't seem to be that much interest among many, so many casinos don't feel the need to offer the best rtp.

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Pat1991
Top Member
Stromberg wrote on 21.10.2024 at 20:41:
If the size and layout are the same, the bottle with 50 ml less content cannot have the same weight 😬

Unless you would use more packaging material with the same layout, but then you could just as well put the 50ml of the plörre back in, it's probably even cheaper😄

But I understand what you mean. Funnily enough, there doesn't seem to be that much interest among many, so many casinos don't feel the need to offer the best rtp.

Correct. But this isn't a goddamn cheeseburger that costs 50 cents more than it used to.

It's like someone simply adding an extra zero to a Roulette wheel (like the Americans do).

It's just ABf**k. And damn close to fraud. And now I also understand how Hexabet, for example, can offer so many extra Bonuses: It probably just comes back in x times because they offer asshole slots

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Pat1991
Top Member
Here. Another gigabeschiss, this time at Hexabet and Hacksaw, at Chaos Crew 2.

At Mr.Bet:

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Edit by Julian: A screenshot has been removed due to third-party advertising (affiliate platform).

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T0uchTheSky
Elite
So many people talk about Winz here, apart from gamblers probably no one here has a clue about Winz. Just because the Rrp at Winz is now 94.5%, some people are now saying, yes, but many other casinos have 96.5%.

At which casino do you get the chance to spin the wheel of fortune 3 times a week? Everything whether cash or FS is turnover-free. Yes, I have often received 200 or 400 FS at 20 cents each, and I have received 1.5 Ltc from the wheel several times. That's over 100 euros each time. And rackback and levelup is all cash. Prizes from the lottery and the Tournament are also free. At some other casinos, the prizes have to be wagered at least 3 times, at some even 35 times.

And since Pat only plays slots above 96%, he should be rich by now. But no, he's always complaining, like today, that he's lost 1000 since 2023.

The patient will be back in a minute to argue for shit again.


Anyone who has no idea about Winz should just shut the f**k up...

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Pat1991
Top Member
I have no idea about Winz. I never said that either. And any RTP below 100% means I'm going to lose in the long run anyway.

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frapi07
Elite
T0uchTheSky wrote on 21.10.2024 at 23:26: So many people here talk about Winz, apart from gamblers probably nobody here has a clue about Winz. Just because the Rrp at Winz is now 94.5%, some are now saying, yes, but many other casinos have 96.5%.

At which casino do you get the chance to spin the wheel of fortune 3 times a week? Everything whether cash or FS is turnover-free. Yes, I have often received 200 or 400 FS at 20 cents each, and I have received 1.5 Ltc from the wheel several times. That's over 100 euros each time. And rackback and levelup is all cash. Prizes from the lottery and the Tournament are also free. At some other casinos, the prizes have to be wagered at least 3 times, at some even 35 times.

And since Pat only plays slots above 96%, he should be rich by now. But no, he's always complaining, like today, that he's lost 1000 since 2023.

The patient will be back in a minute to argue for shit again.


Anyone who has no idea about Winz should just shut the f**k up.

Well, talking up the RTP reduction with the current bonuses/cashback/rakeback is suboptimal.

Yes, it's not usual in the industry for these things to be wager-free, but it's still a negative change because the players have only gotten worse conditions. Nothing was added or "improved" in return. Winz could have redesigned its bonus program to make the whole thing more balanced. Think of the FS from no depos... they are always worth 10 cents - no matter how much you have wagered... I don't care that they are wager-free, because how much can you get out of them? The only good thing is that with luck you can gambol your way up from 0>X and then pay out directly. But ask yourself how often with 10 Ct. FS you get 20€ or more and then you can cash out something worth mentioning... I get some FS at Winz every month and haven't managed to get to 20€ yet. But maybe I'm just unlucky, who knows. I'm aware that it's different with the wheel (as you can get several hundred spins here too), but the no depos to 10 cents is really a joke.

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T0uchTheSky
Elite
frapi07 wrote on 22.10.2024 at 00:01:
Well, talking up the RTP reduction with the current bonuses/cashback/rakeback is suboptimal.

Yes, it's not industry standard for these things to be wager-free, but it's still a negative change because players just got worse terms. Nothing was added or "improved" in return. Winz could have redesigned its bonus program to make the whole thing more balanced. Think of the FS from no depos... they are always worth 10 cents - no matter how much you have wagered... I don't care that they are wagerfree, because how much can you get out of them? The only good thing is that with luck you can gambol your way up from 0>X and then pay out directly. But ask yourself how often with 10 Ct. FS you get 20€ or more and then you can cash out something worth mentioning... I get some FS at Winz every month and haven't managed to get to 20€ yet. But maybe I'm just unlucky, who knows. I'm aware that it's different with the wheel (as you can get several hundred spins here too), but the no depos to 10 cents is really a joke.

What are you talking about Nodeposit FS from Winz? I've never gotten anything like that, but often 30 euros Risk-free bets. I.e. you bet with your money first, if you don't win, you get your money back.


But there are already so many things for free from Winz, are you complaining that Nodeposit FS only gives you 10 cents? With the wheel of fortune, sometimes the FS are also 10 cents, but often 20 cents. As I said, I've often received 200 or 400 FS for 20 cents.

That's just like xxxLeondasxxx, have a look at his winning pictures. That's how many big wins he's had on Winz. And he's always complaining that Winz doesn't give him anything or only FS of 10 cents. I mean, Winz already gives him so much and some people demand even more just because he's lost something again.

Now he's at Stake, you don't get any cash when you deposit.

Why don't you Deposit 300 euros every time, then you'll get something, haha.

By the way, I made a profit again this week at Winz, deposited 9 Ltc and paid out 10.5. As I said, I live from casinos and casino tournaments.

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frapi07
Elite

T0uchTheSky wrote on 22/10/2024 00:16:
What are you talking about Nodeposit FS from Winz? I've never gotten anything like that, but often 30 euros Risk-free bet. I.e. you bet with your money first, if you don't win, you get your money back.


But there are already so many things for free from Winz, are you complaining that Nodeposit FS only gives you 10 cents? With the wheel of fortune, sometimes the FS are also 10 cents, but often 20 cents. As I said, I've often received 200 or 400 FS for 20 cents.

That's just like xxxLeondasxxx, have a look at his winning pictures. That's how many big wins he's had on Winz. And he's always complaining that Winz doesn't give him anything or only FS of 10 cents. I mean, Winz already gives him so much and some people demand even more just because he's lost something again.

Now he's at Stake, you don't get any cash when you deposit.

Why don't you Deposit 300 euros every time, then you'll get something, haha.

By the way, I made a profit again this week at Winz, deposited 9 Ltc and paid out 10.5. As I said, I live from casinos and casino tournaments.

Yes, once a month I get no deposit from them. The last time was at the new big bass bonanza, where you have 2 fishermen (red/blue).
frapi07
I generally don't gamble on !0 ct, but to get to 10-20€ I play the no deposit at a lower bet.

I can't say how much Leo turns over, but I can imagine that he outspends me 10 times over. I deposited 3k with Pino once. Do you know what I've gotten since then? High Roller no deposit. Mostly on 50 cents/spin.

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MisterL
Expert

T0uchTheSky wrote on 22/10/2024 00:16:
What are you talking about Nodeposit FS from Winz? I've never gotten anything like that, but often 30 euros Risk-free bet. I.e. you bet with your money first, if you don't win, you get your money back.


But there are already so many things for free from Winz, are you complaining that Nodeposit FS only gives you 10 cents? With the wheel of fortune, sometimes the FS are also 10 cents, but often 20 cents. As I said, I've often received 200 or 400 FS for 20 cents.

That's just like xxxLeondasxxx, have a look at his winning pictures. That's how many big wins he's had on Winz. And he's always complaining that Winz doesn't give him anything or only FS of 10 cents. I mean, Winz already gives him so much and some people demand even more just because he's lost something again.

Now he's at Stake, you don't get any cash when you deposit.

Why don't you Deposit 300 euros every time, then you'll get something, haha.

By the way, I made a profit again this week at Winz, deposited 9 Ltc and paid out 10.5. As I said, I live from casinos and casino tournaments.

there can only be one winner, and things can turn around very quickly if you don't make it to the podium

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frapi07
Elite
Sorry for the double post, but before that I had a strange error message that I had exceeded the 100k characters (possibly due to the screens). Post was then gone. Had to retype everything

Anyway: my balance sheet from 2 years of Winz: I was able to successfully implement a no depo. I made €450 (-€20 Deposit because I had never deposited before). I failed with the rest. I must have had 12+ no deposits, so 1:12 or lower. But maybe I'm unlucky because I always try to get to 5€ so that I can play BJ xD

With Pino I was able to successfully convert a no deposit 2-3 times, although they have 40x wager. Really funny

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T0uchTheSky
Elite

frapi07 wrote on 22.10.2024 at 00:54: Sorry for the double post, but before that I had a strange error message that I had exceeded the 100k characters (possibly due to the screens). Post was then gone. Had to retype everything

Anyway: my balance sheet from 2 years of Winz: I was able to successfully implement a no depo. I made €450 (-€20 Deposit because I had never deposited before). I failed with the rest. I must have had 12+ no deposits, so 1:12 or lower. But maybe I'm unlucky because I always try to get to 5€ so that I can play BJ xD

With Pino I was able to successfully convert a no deposit 2-3 times, although they have 40x wager. Really funny :


Extra Nodeposit Fs as a gift is still great, even if they are at 10 cents. I would have won almost 300 euros yesterday with the 30 euro Risk-free bet, only Asernal f**ked it up because they were outnumbered for more than 60 minutes. Actually, I just wanted to say that Winz doesn't get anything for free from anyone, whether it's money from the wheel of fortune or the lottery. And Rtp of 94.5 % is still very good, period.




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Falke
Expert

T0uchTheSky wrote on 22.10.2024 01:07:


Extra Nodeposit Fs for free is still great, even if it's on 10 cents. I would have won almost 300 euros yesterday with the 30 euro Risk-free bet, only Asernal f**ked it up because they were outnumbered for more than 60 minutes. Actually, I just wanted to say that Winz doesn't get anything for free from anyone, whether it's money from the wheel of fortune or the lottery. And Rtp of 94.5 % is still very good, period.





For some people, Bonuses are simply important and for others it's the pure RTP. I belong to the second category. I never take a Deposit bonus and only ever play with cash. The RTP is important to me. If I also get Cashback or something with wagerfree, then I'm happy to take it, but I don't really care. Only the RTP and instant payout are important to me.

If I deposit now and win something, then I want to get the money paid out immediately.

I simply don't play slots that have less than 96%. It's quite simple. Everyone has different priorities that are important to them when playing.

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Pat1991
Top Member
Nothing there, period. Do you know how much extra they take?

Let me do the math for you:

A player plays for 1 EUR per spin, making 2 cents more average loss per spin. He plays 40 spins per minute (I just pulled that number out of my ass), that's 80 cents more. The whole thing times 30 minutes playing time, makes a very relaxed 24 EUR extra loss per session.

The whole thing x times over many players.

Your great extra 10-cent no-deposit spins are quickly recouped


Again for the really stupid:

1 EUR player x 40 spins per minute x 30 minutes on RTP 96.5% = 42 EUR loss per session on average

1 EUR player x 40 spins per minute x 30 minutes on RTP 94.5% = 66 EUR loss per session on average = 66


But 94.5% is still good, right?

AMAZING!!!

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