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Deposit and withdrawal methods: Bank asks about sales from abroad (Page 3)

Topic created on 04th Jun. 2019 | Page: 3 of 5 | Answers: 48 | Views: 19,146
Ichbins2018
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Bank asks about sales from abroad

7th Jun. 2019, at 12:10 am CEST#21
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Dbac79 wrote on 06/06/2019 at 23:15

i think this is only with banks, they don't have to give you or anyone an account either if they don't want to, the savings bank has to

The savings bank doesn't have to give you an account for illegal activities though -
and if they do, you are history with the savings bank with a few clicks.

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Dbac79
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Bank asks about sales from abroad

7th Jun. 2019, at 12:42 am CEST#22
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as long as gambling is tolerated it cannot be seen as illegal

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Bank asks about sales from abroad

7th Jun. 2019, at 09:09 am CEST#23
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Dbac79 wrote on 07.06.2019 at 00:42: as long as gambling is tolerated it can not be seen illegal

Online casinos have now been declared illegal several times in Germany. There also helps no EU law or otherwise. Sports betting is tolerated, casinos are illegal.

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Caro
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Bank asks about sales from abroad

7th Jun. 2019, at 11:17 am CEST#24
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Marqes wrote on 06/06/2019 at 23:11
Sorry if it sounds harsh, but it's clear that Caro is downplaying it.
She does not cut her own flesh and makes her business bad.

What am I downplaying? I am simply sharing my experiences from my "banking days" at the time. I admit, e s just been a while . I s clear that nowadays many things are done differently than back then. The requirements are getting stricter, the banks are trying to protect themselves in some way, compliance (I know nobody likes this word) is getting tougher and so on and so forth
In my opinion it is not made easy for players in Malta (as well as in Germany). But the "problem" has not only players, I can now also list business people and many other categories. If you knew what documents are required to start a company or just to get a stupid internet connection, it would make you dizzy. That was easy 5 years ago and no 50 documents (a bit exaggerated) were required....Times are changing.

Regarding "cancel account"...at that time I could not simply cancel an account. I had to present a serious reason why this account should be terminated - they always said: if necessary, the account must be converted into a "garnishment protection account" (such an account is not only given if there is a garnishment)


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Marqes
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Bank asks about sales from abroad

7th Jun. 2019, at 11:36 am CEST#25
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Caro wrote on June 07, 2019 at 11:17 am
What am I downplaying? I'm just sharing my experiences here from my "banking days" back in the day. I admit, e s just been a while . I s clear that nowadays many things are done differently than back then. The requirements are getting stricter, the banks are trying to protect themselves in some way, compliance (I know nobody likes this word) is getting tougher, and so on and so forth
In my opinion it is not made easy for players in Malta (as well as in Germany). But the "problem" has not only players, I can now also list business people and many other categories. If you knew what documents are required to start a company or just to get a stupid internet connection, it would make you dizzy. That was easy 5 years ago and no 50 documents (a bit exaggerated) were required....Times are changing.

Regarding "cancel account"...at that time I could not simply cancel an account. I had to present a serious reason why this account should be terminated - they always said: if necessary, the account must be converted into a "garnishment protection account" (such an account is not only given if there is a garnishment)



Thanks and sorry if I've made you stupid from the side.

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Kleinkariert
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Bank asks about sales from abroad

7th Jun. 2019, at 11:50 am CEST#26
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Can it be that it differs between the states, some states are yes for a regulation and legalization and some are for a stricter enforcement of the ban. Have myself openly talked about this issue at my credit un ion (about 3 months ago and before also several times) there were never problems or consequences. It was only on a human level tried to drive me out of gambling, because I would only burn money and what I would have everything if I had simply saved.

But it depends on the bank consultant, mine likes me very much and we have a very friendly relationship. If a bank advisor is out to get rid of you, they will suspect money laundering and make it difficult for you to clear it up and the bank has to react accordingly and will normally cancel the account. Usually, some things are done in the background much earlier, e.g. there are lower or no credits because you enjoy less trust as a risky customer (there are exceptions in case of long-term trust and not too high a sum)


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Dbac79
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Bank asks about sales from abroad

8th Jun. 2019, at 10:00 am CEST#27
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Zockertyp89 wrote on 07.06.2019 at 09:09
Online casinos have now been declared illegal several times in Germany. No EU law or anything else helps there either. Sports betting is tolerated, casinos are illegal.

oh what? do you mean that the state does not get it on which sites you hang out? every time I play in a casino you google something like bomb-making instructions or something with terrorist background then we see whose internet activity is tolerated

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Bank asks about sales from abroad

8th Jun. 2019, at 02:12 pm CEST#28
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Dbac79 wrote on 08/06/2019 at 10:00 AM

oh what? do you mean that the state does not notice on which sites you hang out? every time I play in a casino google something like bomb making instructions or something with terrorist background then we see whose internet activity is tolerated

Don't understand what you are getting at.

Just because you can do something doesn't make it legal. I can access some sites on the internet. Does not necessarily have to be legal. And you don't have to sugarcoat it all either. Casinos are illegal online and that's it. Otherwise, no chargebacks would go through and BVB would not be investigated.

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Dbac79
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Bank asks about sales from abroad

8th Jun. 2019, at 04:16 pm CEST#29
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Zockertyp89 wrote on 08/06/2019 at 14:12
Don't understand what you are getting at.

Just because you can do something doesn't make it legal. I can access some sites on the internet. Does not necessarily have to be legal. And you don't have to sugarcoat it all either. Casinos are illegal online and that's it. Otherwise, no chargebacks would go through and BVB would not be investigated.

if I forbid you to throw dirt at me and you throw dirt at me and I allow it, then it's probably not forbidden by me. if you forbid players to play in Online Casinos, you can't advertise for it on tv. it would be the same if someone advertised for weed on tv

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mfitch030
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Bank asks about sales from abroad

8th Jun. 2019, at 04:57 pm CEST#30
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You do not have to make a head, as already mentioned, the bank only inquires and you have also reacted completely correctly!

SHORT FORM



  • According to the German State Treaty, the organization of public Games of chance on the Internet is generally prohibited and thus participation is also illegal

  • Since July 2012: Only lotteries and sports betting can be permitted by way of exception and are thus partly legal

  • Participation is only allowed in state institutions that have a concession

  • Participation in non-state facilities without a Concession is illegal

  • Offer as well as participation in not licensed on-line gambling is forbidden according to §§284, 285 StGB criminally and thus illegally

  • Online casino games and online Poker remain prohibited





Casino regulation today
Nowadays, gambling in Germany is regulated at the state level in the State Gambling Treaty (current version of 2012). Even if experts, lawyers, courts and European Court of Justice (ECJ) disagree about the legal conformity of the treaty and the monopoly of the state; the fact is: both offering and participating in unlicensed gambling is punishable under §284 StGB & §285 StGB . The participation can be punished with imprisonment of up to 6 months or fines of up to 180 daily rates.
Permitted and therefore legal are state casinos and those that have a concession. At the level of the stationary facilities, this regulation is also quite plausible and easy to control. The situation is different with casinos that are not headquartered in Germany, but nevertheless offer their services on the German market via the Internet.
Here also lies the actual crux of the dispute: is the standard and also the requirement of a German license transferable to foreign providers?

Gray area online casino law
Regulating stationary casinos is one thing, but how to deal with online offerings is quite another. By providing the service over the Internet, operators are no longer bound by national borders. But would using the offer of a foreign Provider via the Internet directly mean committing a crime?
In many cases, foreign providers have licenses and concessions from their home country and are regulated by the relevant authorities. Nevertheless, they are not German licenses and in the opinion of many courts, foreign Online Casinos also fall under §284 StGB.
This circumstance is criticized by the EU, which insists on the freedom of services as one of the basic pillars of the European un ion and had already achieved the revision of the treaty through a lawsuit. So far, however, no satisfactory solution has been found. It can therefore be assumed that online gambling without a German license will continue to be prohibited and punishable.

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