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# Other Casinos #: Is there any chance to get money back from Stake.com? (Page 2)

Topic created on 24th Jan. 2023 | Page: 2 of 3 | Answers: 35 | Views: 7,888
mowolum
Elite
Of course there are contact points for reclaiming one's losses in online casinos.
Many people from the forum will have already inquired there.
Then among many questions also the question of seriousness arises.

Such companies, I say now consciously, because there must be lawyers with it,
they charge up to 50% of the amount of the loss.

Under a loss of 5000 € no one will take the case.

@winner
That is not at all the topic.
It is nonsense what you give here from you.

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RiverSong
Legend

Marius1908 wrote on 24.01.2023 at 22:21: Hey, Have at Stake.com 3500 euros lost deposited in BTC, do you think there is a chance to sue the ?


i think I read once if the lawsuit is successful you get for the sum only food vouchers that are personalized and not for sale.

then there is no danger to gamble the money again but like any normal player to take his losses without crying
of course you have to pay your lawyer in cash yourself.

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upola
Legend

susi-s wrote on 01/25/2023 at 12:46 pm: Hello,

of course there is a chance to claim money back. I recently read a court decision. There a gambler has reclaimed 70,000 € from an internet gambling provider. Of course, it depends on which Provider this is and whether he has a license on the German market. But all this has to be done through a lawyer. He will also advise you on whether it is worthwhile to initiate proceedings or not. You can ask for contact details for a lawyer who is suitable via the Fachstelle Glücksspielsucht in Berlin.
If you have other questions about Gambling addiction, you are welcome to contact a counseling center in your area or get in touch with counselors online on the "PlayChange" platform.

Many greetings


Susanne

But we are talking about a casino which is located on Curacao, so your contribution is not helpful.

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wettibernd
Expert
Then there's a whole other legal issue:

Are Bitcoin money at all? That's an interesting legal question. Which country issued the currency? What is its value?

There won't even be a lawsuit there I think.

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genrix
Top Member

wettibernd wrote on 01/25/2023 at 15:07: There is then a whole other legal question:

Are Bitcoin money at all? That's an interesting legal question. Which country issued the currency? What is its value?

Since it will not even come to a lawsuit I think.

In any case, it is an object of value In such a case one could take the average value in the addressed time.


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gamble1
Legend
Winner wrote on 01/25/2023 at 12:20 pm: You won't get any encouragement in this forum. Everyone here is pro casino. After all, you are all professional players here and in the plus, so no one here has to reclaim their losses. Because you always win when you play and therefore there are no losses. You just have to keep doubling down when you lose.

Vill people here are also just not mimosas and accept a loss with their heads held high and do not blame everyone else for their own stupidity

At the end of the day we have deposited the money ourselves and it does not matter whether via BTC E-wallet or credit card

If a casino wants to reimburse me for the losses I would of course gladly take it but become active myself and never sue because my pride already says ne ne ne

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Falke
Expert
I'll try to answer the question seriously.

If you are from Austria, you can reclaim your gambling losses. If you are from Germany, you have a 50/50 chance, depending on which judge you get.

In your case it doesn't matter though, as this only affects casinos with an MGA license. For casinos with a Curacao license it will be much more difficult and you will hardly find a process financier. So you can safely write off the money.

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Falke
Expert

wettibernd wrote on 25.01.2023 at 15:07: There is then a whole other legal question:

Are Bitcoin money at all? That's an interesting legal question. Which country issued the currency? What is its value?

There won't even be a lawsuit there I think.

The answer is yes. What exactly does the government levy taxes on otherwise? If the state charges taxes on Bitcoin, then it is also an accepted asset.

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Anonsymm

Marius1908 wrote on 24.01.2023 at 22:21: Hey,
I lost 3500 euros deposited in BTC at Stake.com, do you think there is a chance to sue for it?

So since so many here know Stake.con has no German licenses I have gambled away well over 240k on different accounts until today don't ask I once hodled well after a long playing time and many losses I also wondered if it is possible to get the money back in short no I have been contacting their support email every day for months you supposedly get out of their legal department but never get an answer and if you write to support they think it's their own fault check beforehand if Stake is allowed in your country but if someone here finds a solution how to charge them or get the money back I will gladly pay a commission if successful

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Donnie
Expert
Anonsymm wrote on 06.11.2023 at 23:16:

So since so many here know Stake.con has no German licenses I have gambled away well over 240k on different accounts until today don't ask I once hodled well after a long playing time and many losses I also wondered if it is possible to get the money back in short no I have been contacting their email provided by support every day for months you supposedly get out of their legal department but never get an answer and if you write to support they think it's their own fault check beforehand if Stake is allowed in your country but if someone here finds a solution how to charge them or get the money back I will gladly pay a commission if successful

Boah boy, use punctuation. Otherwise, maybe get some therapy or find a life. There are other things in life than gambling. Have a child or get a dog. Look for a pearl or watch a series. Some people are just sick, how can you gamble away so much money? Maybe develop something like humility and think about other people who don't have it so good in life. But no, some people gamble away entire monthly salaries within a very short time Zeit🤦‍♂️

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T0uchTheSky
Expert

Donnie wrote on November 06, 2023 at 11:37 pm:
Boah boy, use punctuation. Otherwise, maybe get some therapy or find a life. There are other things in life than gambling. Have a child or get a dog. Look for a pearl or watch a series. Some people are just sick, how can you gamble away so much money? Maybe develop something like humility and think about other people who don't have it so good in life. But no, some people gamble away entire monthly salaries within a very short time Zeit🤦‍♂️

Many people can't punctuate, have you ever seen a comma or a period in our Gamble1

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Donnie
Expert
I'm also angry when some clowns mess up my sports bets or I win nothing at slots. Nevertheless, I wouldn't think of getting lawyers involved to get my losses back. First bet high to get the millions out and then want to claim money back if it doesn't work out. Every such lawsuit should be dismissed, the courts shouldn't have to deal with such things but with more important things. Just big assholes like that, sorry, just my opinion

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Falke
Expert

Donnie wrote on 07.11.2023 at 00:31: I'm also angry when some clowns mess up my sports bets or I win nothing at Slotting. Nevertheless, I wouldn't think of getting lawyers involved to get my losses back. First bet high to get the millions out and then want to claim money back if it doesn't work out. Every such lawsuit should be dismissed, the courts shouldn't have to deal with such things but with more important things. Just big assholes like that, sorry it's just my opinion

It's your opinion and I can even understand your point of view a little. But, put yourself in the shoes of players who are really addicted and have destroyed their lives with it. They're not interested in winning millions, because that would be gambled away immediately anyway. They are simply addicted and can't help but play.


The casinos exploit this and make huge sums of money from gambling addicts.

I could also understand your point of view much better if the licensing authorities and the casinos offered much more player protection. But the exact opposite is the case. As a gambling addict, you always have access to some casino. You cannot block yourself from so many casinos that you would actually no longer have the opportunity to gamble.
So not only is nothing being done in this regard, but it is also being specifically encouraged. I mean, €240,000 and the casino doesn't consider it necessary to pull the ripcord, clarify the financial situation or something similar?

The casinos and licensing authorities are vehemently opposed to a cross-platform blocking function and the politicians in the countries of the licensing authorities are not in favor of it either.
If you could exclude yourself from all casinos with one click, then your point of view would be justifiable.

As long as this is not the case, it is not the players who are the asholes who get their money back, but the entire gambling industry, which targets addicted players and bases almost its entire business model on them.

You can say what you like about German casinos, but Player protection there is first class. Once you have been banned from Oasis, you can no longer access any casino. If only it weren't for the illegal casinos. If the illegal casinos complied with the law, then every gambling addict could immediately exclude themselves completely from the game.

So what is your proposal to protect gambling addicts? How else do you want to force the casinos off the market apart from hitting them where it hurts, namely their money?

If you look at how many lives are destroyed by casinos, then I think it's a joke to blame any player for legally getting their money back.

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gamble1
Legend
Falke wrote on 07.11.2023 at 01:32:

It's your opinion and I can even understand your point of view a little. But, put yourself in the shoes of players who are really addicted and have destroyed their lives with it. They're not interested in winning millions, because that would be gambled away immediately anyway. They are simply addicted and can't help but play.


The casinos exploit this and make huge sums of money from gambling addicts.

I could also understand your point of view much better if the licensing authorities and the casinos offered much more player protection. But the exact opposite is the case. As a gambling addict, you always have access to some casino. You cannot block yourself from so many casinos that you would actually no longer have the opportunity to gamble.
So not only is nothing being done in this regard, but it is also being specifically encouraged. I mean, €240,000 and the casino doesn't consider it necessary to pull the ripcord, clarify the financial situation or something similar?

The casinos and licensing authorities are vehemently opposed to a cross-platform blocking function and the politicians in the countries of the licensing authorities are not in favor of it either.
If you could exclude yourself from all casinos with one click, then your point of view would be justifiable.

As long as this is not the case, it is not the players who are the asholes who get their money back, but the entire gambling industry, which targets addicted players and bases almost its entire business model on them.

You can say what you like about German casinos, but Player protection there is first class. Once you have been banned from Oasis, you can no longer access any casino. If only it weren't for the illegal casinos. If the illegal casinos complied with the law, then every gambling addict could immediately exclude themselves completely from the game.

So what is your proposal to protect gambling addicts? How else do you want to force the casinos off the market apart from hitting them where it hurts, namely their money?

If you look at how many lives are destroyed by casinos, then I think it's a joke to blame any player for legally getting their money back.

Well, casinos live from addicts right from the start, they can hardly live from Hans or Peter who sinks his €100 after his 10-hour office job


Look what the gambling industry has done Gauselmann has a castle and a whole block as its headquarters Novomatic's entrance hall is bigger than many an apartment and on Malta they build towers and pretty buildings until the island sinks because it can no longer bear the weight

The money has to come from somewhere and that's the frequent gamblers, also known colloquially as addicts, but that has always been the case and will continue to be the case no matter what is introduced to protect them as really addicted people don't usually take every opportunity and if they do, they find another one anyway

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Falke
Expert
gamble1 wrote on 07.11.2023 at 02:26 am:
Well casinos live from the beginning of addicts from Hans or Peter who sinks his € 100 after his 10 hour office job, they can hardly live


Look what the gambling industry has done Gauselmann has a castle and a whole block as its headquarters Novomatic their entrance hall is bigger than some apartments and on Malta they build towers and pretty buildings until the island sinks at some point because it can no longer bear the weight: D

The money has to come from somewhere and that's the frequent gamblers or colloquially also called addicts, but that has always been the case and will remain so no matter what is introduced to protect them because really addicted people usually don't take every opportunity and if they do, they still find another one

You said it. Casinos live from gambling addicts, they know that and they deliberately encourage gambling addiction. That's why there are no protective mechanisms. Slots are developed with the help of psychologists in order to achieve the most addictive effect possible.


But no, you've got this point wrong. Addicts cannot take every opportunity. It is impossible to block yourself from all online casinos. And as you write yourself, the casinos don't even want that. So it wouldn't make any difference what protection is introduced. It would be there if you wanted it, namely that every license would have a block similar to Oasis.

"Gauselmann has a castle and a whole block as its headquarters Novomatic's entrance hall is bigger than some apartments and they build towers and beautiful buildings on Malta until the island eventually sinks because it can no longer bear the weight"

Yes, exactly. Then tell me how you can condemn even a millimeter of a player who gets his money back. Complete victim/perpetrator reversal.

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