There are sooo many clubs that you would love to see back on top, just for the romance.
I think the 3 is simply because you're used to it. If you would always relegate the last 5 in the next 80 years, in 80 years no rooster would crow that there used to be 3. At some point you get to a point where people just don't know any different.
Well, of course you somehow save the season in 2 games, but it takes 34 match days to get to that point. You could also be 17th and get relegated straight away. Why doesn't the 4th-placed team complain that they can't play a relegation play-off and 3 get promoted directly? I think it's simply because you're still stuck with the old system. It's also kind of crap if you play a good season and only just finish 4th. It's always a bit of a bummer for those who just miss out and good for those who just make it.
Theoretically, you can do that with the playoffs. It's not that rare now that there are extra games. CL was also one of those things. Many were skeptical at the beginning. In the meantime, many people like the system. People always have a hard time with change.
Yes, exactly. Hamburg would have been eliminated twice, but they would have been promoted twice. A good example of how relegation can be good and bad for a club. As I said, Stuttgart benefited incredibly from it. Looking back now.
Why do you think that relegation would have been postponed instead of canceled? Do you see it the same way for VfB Stuttgart?
But who is holding it up? Are they the fans who love their club so much? Why do they want the club to be relegated? They might have to give up players that they actually like. How can you want that as a fan? I find that incredibly stupid. As a fan of Braunschweig, I would be so grateful for the chance that my club could still stay in the league. From the point of view of Elversberg or Saarbrücken, I could understand it, but sooo...that makes 0 sense.
Of course, it's all about the romance 😁 I'm happy to oute myself as a soccer romantic 😁😅
Yes, on the point that if it went on like this for 80 years, it would be considered normal, I fully agree with you 😁
Yes, and if it is changed that the fourth gets promoted or plays relegation, the fifth complains ... then it's changed then the sixth complains etc ... that would be too much change for each year, and also no longer balanced 🤷 as I said the flood action would be too high (besides, it would no longer be possible to conclude a longer-term TV contract etc).
Hahamburg, that's another matter, would they really have been promoted twice already? Who knows how the season would have gone ... 2 or 3 years then they'd be back in League 2, I'm sure of it... 😅
The Stuttgart thing, well let's wait and see how it goes, I wouldn't be soooo surprised if they were relegated in the next few seasons... ☝️😅
Who's holding that up? Nobody held it up, it was attached to the fence at the guest block, next to the usual fence flags... so it wasn't exactly "eventies", but the organized fan scene/ultras/everyone else, no idea who exactly hung it up, but probably those where the league doesn't matter ☝️
Yes, you as a fan of Braunschweig would not be able to understand it, I as a fan of my club (Darmstadt), would be happy BUT would still consider the possible class preservation as undeserved and I say that I have already experienced several relegations (up to the Hessenliga) as well as promotions (up to the Bundesliga)... okay small restriction unless there would be a derby in the relegation....
But look at it this way, amateur teams in league 3, ALL fan scenes are against it, even those of BVB or Bayern, but when bayern2 plays against 1860, thousands of bazis are there, then bayern2 or so becomes champion and can't get promoted, that's also the purest falsification of the table, i'm not even talking about players who are sent from league 1 or 2 to the second team in the final sprint, they also belong in their own league like in England, or should the second league at some point consist of farm teams like in Austria or Spain?
That's just something fundamental 😁
But we probably won't agree on that at all, I understand your train of thought, but I just see it completely differently from the bottom of my heart 😅
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Well... +- 0 (+65€, but too little for the bet). A few bets went well, but some really fell flat on their faces. Basketball in the Philippines is really weird ^^ Was under 129.5 after the 1st half... well, we scored 140
Of course there's the point of romance 😁 I'm happy to oute myself as a soccer romantic 😁😅
Yes, on the point that if it went on like this for 80 years, it would be considered normal, I agree with you wholeheartedly 😁
Yes, and if it is changed that the fourth gets promoted or plays relegation, the fifth complains ... then it's changed then the sixth complains etc ... that would be too much change for each year, and also no longer balanced 🤷 as I said the flood action would be too high (besides, it would no longer be possible to conclude a longer-term TV contract etc).
Hahamburg, that's another matter, would they really have been promoted twice already? Who knows how the season would have gone ..2 or 3 years then they'd be back in League 2, I'm sure of it.... 😅
The Stuttgart thing, well let's wait and see how it goes, I wouldn't be soooo surprised if they were relegated in the next few seasons... ☝️😅
Who's holding that up? Nobody held it up, it was attached to the fence at the guest block, next to the usual fence flags... so it wasn't exactly "eventies", but the organized fan scene/ultras/everyone else, no idea who exactly hung it up, but probably those where the league doesn't matter ☝️
Yes, you as a fan of Braunschweig would not be able to understand it, I as a fan of my club (Darmstadt), would be happy BUT would still consider the possible class preservation as undeserved and I say that I have already experienced several relegations (up to the Hessenliga) as well as promotions (up to the Bundesliga)... okay small restriction unless there would be a derby in the relegation....
But look at it this way, amateur teams in league 3, ALL fan scenes are against it, even those of BVB or Bayern, but when bayern2 plays against 1860, thousands of bazis are there, then bayern2 or so becomes champion and can't get promoted, that's also the purest falsification of the table, i'm not even talking about players who are sent from league 1 or 2 to the second team in the final sprint, they also belong in their own league like in England, or should the second league at some point consist of farm teams like in Austria or Spain?
That's just something fundamental 😁
But we probably won't agree on that at all, I understand your train of thought, but I just see it completely differently from the bottom of my heart 😅
Regarding Hamburg, you just have to say that they really deserve to be promoted again. 2 relegations and otherwise always 4th. That's really awesome.
So I wouldn't be surprised if Stuttgart ended up lower than this year. But you really have to see this path for them. relegation in 2022/23 and prevented by relegation. 2023/24 they finish 2nd. 2024/25 they play CL and later win the cup. The cup is the easiest way to win a title, but you still have to do it first. Dortmund and Bayern in particular have been dreaming of it for a long time.
Exactly, that's what I mean. Fans who supposedly love their club so much would actually rather be relegated. That's crazy.
You can feel it's undeserved, but you still think it's good that the club stayed in the league.
It's really well organized in England. Simply put the 2nd teams in their own league system and that's it.
But I can also understand you. The heart of a romantic beats inside you.
Regarding Hamburg, you just have to say that they deserve to be promoted again. 2 times the relegation and otherwise always 4th. That's really awesome.
So I wouldn't be surprised if Stuttgart ended up lower than this year. But you really have to see this path for them. relegation in 2022/23 and prevented by relegation. 2023/24 they finish 2nd. 2024/25 they play CL and later win the cup. The cup is the easiest way to win a title, but you still have to do it first. Dortmund and Bayern in particular have been dreaming of it for a long time.
Exactly, that's what I mean. Fans who supposedly love their club so much would actually rather be relegated. That's crazy.
You can feel it's undeserved, but you still think it's good that the club stayed in the league.
It's really well organized in England. Simply put the 2nd teams in their own league system and that's it.
But I can also understand you. The heart of a romantic beats inside you.
If Hamburg deserved to be promoted so badly, then you're saying yourself that the relegation is wrong 😁
Yes Dortmund vlt but Bayern ? For Bayern, the cup is like for us a €1 bet that you hit with 5 odds, quite nice but nothing where you say wow how cool is that 😜
Yes Stuttgart, that's impressive BUT that darn third year or how do you say? Let them have a difficult opening program with a few defeats, it wouldn't be the first time that they end up in an unexpected relegation maelstrom even though they still perform relatively well in Europe in the end....
Haha yes, it might be crazy or irrational, but it also has something to do with values and a sense of justice, I suppose 😁😁😂😂😂
Well, of course you think it's good at some point, but for some people the league just plays a secondary role 😂 In the past, some grandpas told me in the stadium or before, on the way, after the game in a pub etc. what loyal fans they are, they've seen Bayern live and Hertha and what do I know, they've been going to the stadium for 30 or 40 years, that's why they're special, when I then asked whether it was a special achievement to become a fan against these opponents or whether it was rather remarkable to fall in love with the club in League 4 against giants like KSV Baunatal, SpVgg Bad Vilbel, SV Erzhausen etc., and not to run to the rubber eagles from Frankfurt or the carnival troupe to Mainz, and whether their "snootiness" was really appropriate, it was quickly admitted that it wasn't so appropriate after all .. what I want to say is that love really doesn't know any league, so it's understandable that people behave in a slightly schizophrenic way 😁😅
Exactly, it's very well regulated in England, and when you see what young players are coming up, it shows that it's the right way 🤷
But full Lotte beats the heart through it, sometimes I find myself wishing for the time with the 4000 people in the stadium in league three/four back 😅 everything used to be better 😂😅
Druff wrote on 27.05.2025 at 16:24:
If Hamburg deserved to be promoted badly, then you yourself say that the relegation is wrong 😁
Yes Dortmund vlt but Bayern ? Cup is for Bayern like for us a 1€ bet that you hit with 5 odds, quite nice but nothing where you say wow how cool is that 😜
Yes Stuttgart, that's impressive BUT that darn third year or how do you say? Let them have a difficult opening program with a few defeats, it wouldn't be the first time that they end up in an unexpected relegation maelstrom even though they still perform relatively well in Europe in the end....
Haha yes, it might be crazy or irrational, but it also has something to do with values and a sense of justice, I suppose 😁😁😂😂😂
Well, of course you think it's good at some point, but for some people the league just plays a secondary role 😂 In the past, some grandpas told me in the stadium or before, on the way, after the game in a pub etc. what loyal fans they are, they've seen Bayern live and Hertha and what do I know, they've been going to the stadium for 30 or 40 years, that's why they're special, when I then asked whether it was a special achievement to become a fan against these opponents or whether it was rather remarkable to fall in love with the club in League 4 against giants like KSV Baunatal, SpVgg Bad Vilbel, SV Erzhausen etc., and not to run to the rubber eagles from Frankfurt or the carnival troupe to Mainz, and whether their "snootiness" was really appropriate, it was quickly admitted that it wasn't so appropriate after all .. what I want to say is that love really doesn't know any league, so it's understandable that people behave in a slightly schizophrenic way 😁😅
Exactly, it's very well regulated in England, and when you see what young players are coming up, it shows that it's the right way 🤷
But full Lotte beats, heart through it, sometimes I find myself wishing for the time with the 4000 people in the stadium in league three/four back 😅 everything used to be better 😂😅
No, I mean because they've been playing at the top for years. Tell me a club that's consistently at the top but hasn't been promoted. four times 4th and two times 3rd. That's simply the point.
Oh, I think Bayern would love to win the double again. It's cool to present 2 titles and the DfB Cup is just the easiest way.
Stuttgart are already in their 6th year. They were promoted in 2019/20.
Love for the club knows no league, that's true. But in the case of the Braunschweig banner, they're practically wishing the club relegation. that's wild.
Nah I mean because they've been playing at the top for years. Tell me a club that consistently plays at the top but hasn't been promoted. four times 4th and two times 3rd. That's simply the point.
Oh, I think Bayern would love to win the double again. It's cool to present 2 titles and the DfB Cup is just the easiest way.
Stuttgart are already in their 6th year. They were promoted in 2019/20.
Love for the club knows no league, that's true. But in the case of the Braunschweig banner, they're practically wishing the club relegation. that's wild.
No problem, that would be 1.FC Saarbrücken, for example, which has ALWAYS been at the top since promotion to League 3 😁
Yes, they'd certainly like to, but they'd rather celebrate the double of championship and European Cup 😁
Yes, well then, into the sixth year, I just limited myself to the numbers you mentioned, darn third year was wrong anyway, is the darn seventh year 😜
They don't wish it on their club, they're happy if they stay in, but you can be happy about it and still reject or criticize it, after all, they're not officials who have to decide anything 🤷
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No problem that would be for example the 1.FC Saarbrücken, since promotion to league 3 ALWAYS at the top 😁
Yes, with pleasure for sure, but they just take it with them, they would rather celebrate the double of championship and European Cup 😁
Yes, well then, into the sixth year, I just limited myself to the numbers you mentioned, darn third year was wrong anyway, is the darn seventh year 😜
They don't wish it on their club, they're happy if they stay in, but you can be happy about it and still reject or criticize it, after all, they're not officials who have to decide anything 🤷
Do you celebrate everything an online casino does just because you use it? Or do you use it, for example, but still take a critical view of certain points and reject them? This is basically nothing different, whereby you actively decide and the fans are only passively involved in this business despite the main share.
yes, maybe they can still do it today.
If it's about what they'd like most then it would probably be the treble. But the simple double doesn't work out, so don't even dream of the bigger one.
That's true. In the end, as a fan you can say what you want anyway. It rarely has any relevance for the club itself.
Dutch78 wrote on 27.05.2025 at 11:20 am:
I'll keep my fingers crossed for Schalke next season.they are just over 15 k .
If only the fans were relevant, they would play in the Champions League every year.
Even if Schalke no longer have the charisma of recent years, I'd like to see them playing at the top again, I miss them in the Bundesliga.
Schalke has so much potential, it just needs to be unleashed by the right people.
What Watzke, Zorc and Klopp have done with Dortmund is what I wish Schalke could do with the right people. Hopefully it won't take too long.
I'll go with the rest of you, it's still a close 2 and therefore playable for me.
The men were tough and, as expected, over 5 sets. Volynets disastrously faltering...but still led 3:0 and 4:2 in the third set and then gave it away.... Women's tennis is sometimes a bit of a horror movie and incomprehensible Too bad...tomorrow
No problem that would be for example the 1.FC Saarbrücken, since promotion to league 3 ALWAYS at the top 😁
Yes, with pleasure for sure, but they just take it with them, they would rather celebrate the double of championship and European Cup 😁
Yes, well then, into the sixth year, I just limited myself to the numbers you mentioned, darn third year was wrong anyway, is the darn seventh year 😜
They don't wish it on their club, they're happy if they stay in, but you can be happy about it and still reject or criticize it, after all, they're not officials who have to decide anything 🤷
Do you celebrate everything an online casino does just because you use it? Or do you use it, for example, but still take a critical view of certain points and reject them? This is basically nothing different, whereby you actively decide and the fans are only passively involved in this business despite the main share.
I took advantage of this offer from Bet365 yesterday. 10 euros on Braunschweig. I lost, but the 10 Euro betting credits should actually be credited there. Is it really the case that it sometimes takes up to 48 hours for them to be credited? I know from other providers that this is always available immediately.
Patizi wrote on 28.05.2025 at 09:38: I used this offer from Bet365 yesterday. 10 euros on Braunschweig. Lost but actually the 10 Euro betting credits should be credited there. Is it really the case that it sometimes takes up to 48 hours for them to be credited? I know from other providers that this is always available immediately.
Sometimes on the same day or immediately after the end of the game, but also occasionally around midday the following day. i have never experienced 48 hours.
Patizi wrote on 28.05.2025 at 09:38: I used this offer from Bet365 yesterday. 10 euros on Braunschweig. Lost but actually the 10 Euro betting credits should be credited there. Is it really the case that it sometimes takes up to 48 hours for them to be credited? I know from other providers that this is always available immediately.
It should be there during the day if you have adhered to the conditions.
Langhans_innen wrote on 27.05.2025 at 21:54: The men played tough and as expected over 5 sets. Volynets catastrophically faltering...nevertheless led 3:0 and 4:2 in the third set and then gave it away...that was actually in the bag. Women's tennis is sometimes a bit of a horror movie and incomprehensible Too bad...tomorrow
Too bad, I could already see myself strolling through the city with a large ice cream in the next sunny day
Today is yesterday's tomorrow, so I'll just wait for your new inspiration.
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Of course, it's all about the romance 😁 I'm happy to oute myself as a soccer romantic 😁😅
Yes, on the point that if it went on like this for 80 years, it would be considered normal, I fully agree with you 😁
Yes, and if it is changed that the fourth gets promoted or plays relegation, the fifth complains ... then it's changed then the sixth complains etc ... that would be too much change for each year, and also no longer balanced 🤷 as I said the flood action would be too high (besides, it would no longer be possible to conclude a longer-term TV contract etc).
Hahamburg, that's another matter, would they really have been promoted twice already? Who knows how the season would have gone ... 2 or 3 years then they'd be back in League 2, I'm sure of it... 😅
The Stuttgart thing, well let's wait and see how it goes, I wouldn't be soooo surprised if they were relegated in the next few seasons... ☝️😅
Who's holding that up? Nobody held it up, it was attached to the fence at the guest block, next to the usual fence flags... so it wasn't exactly "eventies", but the organized fan scene/ultras/everyone else, no idea who exactly hung it up, but probably those where the league doesn't matter ☝️
Yes, you as a fan of Braunschweig would not be able to understand it, I as a fan of my club (Darmstadt), would be happy BUT would still consider the possible class preservation as undeserved and I say that I have already experienced several relegations (up to the Hessenliga) as well as promotions (up to the Bundesliga)... okay small restriction unless there would be a derby in the relegation....
But look at it this way, amateur teams in league 3, ALL fan scenes are against it, even those of BVB or Bayern, but when bayern2 plays against 1860, thousands of bazis are there, then bayern2 or so becomes champion and can't get promoted, that's also the purest falsification of the table, i'm not even talking about players who are sent from league 1 or 2 to the second team in the final sprint, they also belong in their own league like in England, or should the second league at some point consist of farm teams like in Austria or Spain?
That's just something fundamental 😁
But we probably won't agree on that at all, I understand your train of thought, but I just see it completely differently from the bottom of my heart 😅
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Well... +- 0 (+65€, but too little for the bet). A few bets went well, but some really fell flat on their faces. Basketball in the Philippines is really weird ^^ Was under 129.5 after the 1st half... well, we scored 140
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Regarding Hamburg, you just have to say that they really deserve to be promoted again. 2 relegations and otherwise always 4th. That's really awesome.
So I wouldn't be surprised if Stuttgart ended up lower than this year. But you really have to see this path for them. relegation in 2022/23 and prevented by relegation. 2023/24 they finish 2nd. 2024/25 they play CL and later win the cup. The cup is the easiest way to win a title, but you still have to do it first. Dortmund and Bayern in particular have been dreaming of it for a long time.
Exactly, that's what I mean. Fans who supposedly love their club so much would actually rather be relegated. That's crazy.
You can feel it's undeserved, but you still think it's good that the club stayed in the league.
It's really well organized in England. Simply put the 2nd teams in their own league system and that's it.
But I can also understand you. The heart of a romantic beats inside you.
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If Hamburg deserved to be promoted so badly, then you're saying yourself that the relegation is wrong 😁
Yes Dortmund vlt but Bayern ? For Bayern, the cup is like for us a €1 bet that you hit with 5 odds, quite nice but nothing where you say wow how cool is that 😜
Yes Stuttgart, that's impressive BUT that darn third year or how do you say? Let them have a difficult opening program with a few defeats, it wouldn't be the first time that they end up in an unexpected relegation maelstrom even though they still perform relatively well in Europe in the end....
Haha yes, it might be crazy or irrational, but it also has something to do with values and a sense of justice, I suppose 😁😁😂😂😂
Well, of course you think it's good at some point, but for some people the league just plays a secondary role 😂 In the past, some grandpas told me in the stadium or before, on the way, after the game in a pub etc. what loyal fans they are, they've seen Bayern live and Hertha and what do I know, they've been going to the stadium for 30 or 40 years, that's why they're special, when I then asked whether it was a special achievement to become a fan against these opponents or whether it was rather remarkable to fall in love with the club in League 4 against giants like KSV Baunatal, SpVgg Bad Vilbel, SV Erzhausen etc., and not to run to the rubber eagles from Frankfurt or the carnival troupe to Mainz, and whether their "snootiness" was really appropriate, it was quickly admitted that it wasn't so appropriate after all .. what I want to say is that love really doesn't know any league, so it's understandable that people behave in a slightly schizophrenic way 😁😅
Exactly, it's very well regulated in England, and when you see what young players are coming up, it shows that it's the right way 🤷
But full Lotte beats the heart through it, sometimes I find myself wishing for the time with the 4000 people in the stadium in league three/four back 😅 everything used to be better 😂😅
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No, I mean because they've been playing at the top for years. Tell me a club that's consistently at the top but hasn't been promoted. four times 4th and two times 3rd. That's simply the point.
Oh, I think Bayern would love to win the double again. It's cool to present 2 titles and the DfB Cup is just the easiest way.
Stuttgart are already in their 6th year. They were promoted in 2019/20.
Love for the club knows no league, that's true. But in the case of the Braunschweig banner, they're practically wishing the club relegation. that's wild.
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No problem, that would be 1.FC Saarbrücken, for example, which has ALWAYS been at the top since promotion to League 3 😁
Yes, they'd certainly like to, but they'd rather celebrate the double of championship and European Cup 😁
Yes, well then, into the sixth year, I just limited myself to the numbers you mentioned, darn third year was wrong anyway, is the darn seventh year 😜
They don't wish it on their club, they're happy if they stay in, but you can be happy about it and still reject or criticize it, after all, they're not officials who have to decide anything 🤷
Do you celebrate everything an online casino does just because you use it? Or do you use it, for example, but still take a critical view of certain points and reject them? This is basically nothing different, whereby you actively decide and the fans are only passively involved in this business despite the main share.
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yes, maybe they can still do it today.
If it's about what they'd like most then it would probably be the treble. But the simple double doesn't work out, so don't even dream of the bigger one.
That's true. In the end, as a fan you can say what you want anyway. It rarely has any relevance for the club itself.
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Schalke has so much potential, it just needs to be unleashed by the right people.
What Watzke, Zorc and Klopp have done with Dortmund is what I wish Schalke could do with the right people. Hopefully it won't take too long.
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The men were tough and, as expected, over 5 sets. Volynets disastrously faltering...but still led 3:0 and 4:2 in the third set and then gave it away.... Women's tennis is sometimes a bit of a horror movie and incomprehensible Too bad...tomorrow
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Yesterday was more exciting than I thought.
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Sometimes on the same day or immediately after the end of the game, but also occasionally around midday the following day. i have never experienced 48 hours.
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It should be there during the day if you have adhered to the conditions.
This is also often the case with Merkur Bets.
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Too bad, I could already see myself strolling through the city with a large ice cream in the next sunny day
Today is yesterday's tomorrow, so I'll just wait for your new inspiration.
No pressure, because it's not supposed to warm up here until the weekend, we still have until Saturday
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