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16th Dec. 2018, at 12:20 am CET#61

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tontoo2 wrote on 12/16/2018 at 00:14 PM
Criminal. Said judgment refers to an outstanding debt. It is pretended to be able to reverse deposits retroactively for 3 years without consequences.

Oh so that's what you meant...Ok then it's something else again...but no judgment.

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16th Dec. 2018, at 12:24 am CET#62

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tontoo2 wrote on 12/16/2018 at 00:16 PM
Sure they do. But banks can deny services as well. And then what? 35% + VAT to go through three instances to open an account?

You are simply making a fool of yourself. An account is entitled even to people in insolvency, a so-called P-Konto.
And just because you file a lawsuit against one bank doesn't mean that all the others will refuse you. Go ahead and keep spreading half-truths.

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16th Dec. 2018, at 12:25 am CET#63

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tontoo2 wrote on 12/15/2018 at 23:33
I think people who have deprived themselves of house and home and still accumulated a pile of Debt, but really, really gambling addicts, should be able to settle with banks as part of therapy and with the help of a lawyer.

This nonsense along the lines of "we'll get your deposits of the last 3 years back" is at least as criminal as a casino with a Curacao license and fake slots.
The consequences for a normal player who has not accumulated at least several 10k debts, the consequences for a player who is otherwise just cutting back a bit because of the game, like most, are catastrophic.

35% + VAT (it's nice), no Risk and then? After that, how are you going to open an account, sign a cell phone contract, a utility contract, rent an apartment?
The offer is criminal. Not to mention the moral side, it's criminal. I hope there aren't a lot of idiots out there who will take back a few thousand for the moment, all with unforeseeable and disastrous consequences.

Honestly there are no disastrous consequences, no Schufa entry, no great proclamation and above all the person with high debts has peace for the time being. I see it similarly that it is morally not really justifiable to take this step, but purely rationally it is the best way to get out of it as easily as possible and therefore I would also advise anyone with huge debts through online casino to book the money back.

Maybe the market will finally be liberalized and regulated, then the chargeback will no longer work. The current state is economically damaging and many online players in Germany seem to fear that now gradually all payment providers jump off and thus they are denied the fun completely. I can strongly understand that, especially since some credit card providers have already jumped off, now PayPal and it also seems that not all accept PSC. If even more banks jump off now, it will be very tight and one would have to become more creative (e.g. virtual currencies like Bitcoin).

You can demonize someone who chargebacks, but you must not forget that laws are not synonymous with justice and if they are interpreted positively for the consumer is also a good change

Addendum: You have a basic right to a bank account that is secured in any case. And also the courts can interpret the law at any time differently or at least reprimand the Vebraucher harder. However, it means that currently it is not criminal, it may be that in a few years or sometime it will be considered so. But at this time it is perfectly legitimate, it can still be so immoral!

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16th Dec. 2018, at 12:27 am CET#64

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Honestly, I have a feeling that Snippy is one of the operators of this site.
Since his registration, he has done nothing but promote this site...
35 percent they want as a success fee?
Honestly, for me this is absolute usury and the Risk lies in the end with the client, the player.
The risk is not the initial costs, but the risk of being uncreditworthy for the rest of your life.
Who is so stupid and believes that the banks do not keep lists of customers who "cause stress"?!?
You commission someone to make a payment and then you drag the one who provided the commissioned service into court...

I too have lost a hell of a lot of money and yet I can't blame others for my actions
Besides, I can proudly claim to have solved the problems myself and never to have deliberately harmed anyone.

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16th Dec. 2018, at 12:32 am CET#65

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snippy wrote on 12/16/2018 at 00:24 PM
You are simply making a fool of yourself. An account is even available to people in bankruptcy, a so called P-Konto.
And just because you file a lawsuit against one bank doesn't mean everyone else will refuse you. Go ahead and keep spreading half-truths.

A P account. That's phenomenal. Hello dear new landlord, then debit my P-account.
You do realize that there is not even an obligation for utilities to supply you, which could not be circumvented, electricity, etc? Not even the basic supply at the super tax rate
But about such trifles then also the 35% + VAT experts care?

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16th Dec. 2018, at 12:33 am CET#66

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Matthias wrote on 16/12/2018 at 00:27: Honestly, I have a feeling that Snippy is one of the operators of this site.
Since he registered, he has done nothing here but promote this site...
35 percent is what they want as a success fee?
Honestly, for me this is absolute usury and the Risk lies in the end with the client, the player.
The risk is not the initial costs, but the risk of being uncreditworthy for the rest of your life.
Who is so stupid and believes that the banks do not keep lists of customers who "cause stress"?!?
You commission someone to make a payment and then you drag the person who provided the commissioned service to court...

I too have lost a hell of a lot of money and yet I can't blame others for my actions
Besides, I can proudly claim to have solved the problems myself and never to have deliberately harmed anyone.

I also thought that he wants to promote the site

I know such sites, if you wanted to fly away and it came to any problems (cancellation of the flight, etc.) then try to get the money back

But with Online Casinos, I do not know

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16th Dec. 2018, at 12:40 am CET#67

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Ankor wrote on 16/12/2018 at 00:25
Honestly there are no disastrous consequences, no Schufa entry, no great proclamation and above all the person with high debts has peace for now. I see it similarly that it is morally not really justifiable to go this step, but purely rationally it is the best way to get out of there as easily as possible and therefore I would also advise anyone with huge debts through online casino to book the money back.

Maybe the market will finally be liberalized and regulated, then the chargeback will no longer work. The current state is economically damaging and many online players in Germany seem to fear that now gradually all payment providers jump off and thus they are denied the fun completely. I can strongly understand that, especially since some credit card providers have already jumped off, now PayPal and it seems that not all accept PSC. If even more banks jump off now, it will be very tight and one would have to become more creative (e.g. virtual currencies like Bitcoin).

You can demonize someone who chargebacks, but you must not forget that laws are not synonymous with justice and if they are interpreted positively for the consumer is also a good change

Addendum: You have a basic right to a bank account that is secured in any case. And also the courts can interpret the law at any time differently or at least reprimand the Vebraucher harder. However, it means that currently it is not criminal, it may be that in a few years or sometime it will be considered so. But at this time it is perfectly legitimate, it can still be so immoral!

The problem is, the offer is not addressed to people with disastrously high debts, who have ruined themselves. With them there is nothing to get even for the smart lawyers
It is a Ottonormalspieler vorgegaukelt to be able to fetch simply times in such a way its deposits back.

I would not like to get into the category of having to invoke the basic right to a bank account

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16th Dec. 2018, at 12:42 am CET#68

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tontoo2 wrote on 12/16/2018 at 00:32 PM
P account. This is phenomenal. Hello dear new landlord, then debit my P account.
You realize that there is not even an obligation for utilities to supply you that could not be circumvented, electricity, etc? Not even the basic supply at the super tax rate
But about such trifles then also the 35% + VAT experts care?

Know some who have booked back the life all with house, electricity, bank account, etc. I do not know anyone who had these problems

Find in the rest of the page now also not so great, find the 35% extremely much. And unlike snippy suggests, you don't have to spend nearly as much with a normal lawyer. There you have the Risk that it does not work, but the costs are there rather at 5-10%.

tontoo2 wrote on 12/16/2018 at 00:40 PM
The problem is, the offer is not aimed at people with disastrously high debts who have ruined themselves. There's nothing for the smart lawyers to get from them either
An Ottonormal player is made to believe that he can simply get his deposits back.

I would not like to get into the category of having to invoke the basic right to a bank account.

If you just want to get something back I think it's ridiculous, if someone is just angry and wants the money back then I can only shake my head. The person puts it guaranteed again purely, but one uses here simply the legal situation. I think that some have already thought about it, at least who back-booked with PayPal has 100% no long-term consequences except that the Paypal account is closed and should Paypal times become even larger or the network spread then you might get angry about it.

That the page is not really for the good right is also aware of me, they just want to make money as easy as possible you the losses of the players. The commission is as mentioned already extremely high. If they solve a 50,000 € case then that's 17,500 € earned and they can simply hire a lawyer and still come out with plus.

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16th Dec. 2018, at 12:57 am CET#69

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@Ankor
Well, the ones with house who have charged back, they are usually recorded at the bank as Mrs. and Mr. Doctor. They have less repercussions to look forward to.

Ottonormal players in the rented apartment, the bank first says: Basic right? I do not give a damn. We cancel the account once after two uncovered debit attempts, never mind, say, phone and cell phone. And then Ottonormalspieler can fight for his right. And then it will be funny if no 35% + VAT in prospect.

And the offer is designed precisely for this Ottonormal consumer. YOU know that 35% is usury

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16th Dec. 2018, at 01:11 am CET#70

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What I have to ask myself is: "What if you have paid in say 50,000 in the last 3 years, got lucky and paid out 100k, do you get your 50,000 back?"
So win - win?

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