Online Casinos in general: Experience with session management for RNG roulette and slots (Page 6)
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Experience with session management for RNG roulette and slots
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Very good question 🤔
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The figures I have given (e.g. spins or pauses) are based on experience - but this is not a rigid construct. I am concerned with the basic structure: short playing intervals, consistent pauses, complete session reset. The principle behind it is decisive - not necessarily whether it is exactly 40 or 45 spins.
Here is an alternative example of a session structure:
Session structure - variant B (starting capital approx. €40):
1. Legacy of Dead (Play'n GO)
30 spins á 0,20 €
→ then 6 minutes break (close app, delete cookies & cache, log in again)
2. Buffalo King Megaways (Pragmatic Play)
40 spins á 0,10 €
→ 4 minute break, as above
3. Madame Destiny Megaways (Pragmatic Play)
35 spins á 0,16 €
→ 6 minutes break
4. Chaos Crew (Hacksaw Gaming)
45 spins á 0,10 €
→ 5 minute break
5. Floating Dragon (Reel Kingdom)
50 spins á 0,12 €
→ 5 minute break
6. Mental (Nolimit City)
20 spins á 0,30 €
→ End of session
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Experience with session management for RNG roulette and slots
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Yes, exactly.
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Seed in the online casino: What is it and how does it work?
In modern Online Casinos, especially in so-called "Provably Fair" games, the outcome of the game is determined by a cryptographic algorithm based on two main components:
The result of a game is determined by the combination of these two seeds and other parameters such as the nonce (a number that increases with each game round).
Can the seed be positively influenced?
It is not possible to influence the server seed directly. The server seed is created randomly by the casino and remains secret until it is resolved (usually after rotation or at the player's request). Manipulation or targeted influencing is impossible, as the system is based on cryptographic hashes (e.g. SHA-256) and can be checked retrospectively.
The player's only sphere of influence is the client seed. In many crypto casinos, players can set or regularly change their own client seed. However, this is solely for the sake of transparency and fairness - not to increase the chances of winning. The client seed merely changes the random sequence, but does not provide an advantage over the mathematically determined house edge.
What are the benefits of changing the client seed?
Manipulation or "positive influencing" of the seed
Conclusion
Advertising or tips on how to "positively influence" the seed are dubious and should be ignored.
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What you describe concerns provably fair crypto games where the client seed is actively set - but this has nothing to do with classic RNG slots in normal online casinos. The slots we are talking about here (Pragmatic, Play'n GO, Hacksaw, etc.) do not work with an open client seed, but with server-side processes whose behavior is linked to the session structure.
And that's exactly my approach:
I don't try to manipulate the seed directly, I work with the way the Provider recognizes a new session - through logout, cache clear, wait time. These actions change the session state, which obviously starts fresh sequences, which in practice often generate more payouts in early spins than average.
So it is not the seed that is manipulated, but the way the session structure is handled that is exploited. That is a huge difference.
Anyone who understands RNG only as a mathematical construct forgets that there is practical implementation, provider logic and recognition mechanisms behind it. This is exactly where you start - not in cryptography, but in system reality
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Someone comes along and talks about analyzing slots without facts or evidence.
And some people are discussing it.
I think my pig is whistling and I have analyses about it...I ask for a discussion.
Completely gaga.
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Oh, you're on the tube? Nothing - that was quite a long time for many people in recent years, until someone started to think differently.
And sure, it sounds crazy at first when someone takes a systematic approach instead of "luck". But just because you don't see any evidence yourself doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Some observe, others judge.
Incidentally, it would be completely crazy to always do the same thing and expect different results - that has been proven.
But hey, everyone is allowed to think what they want. As long as you keep an open mind, the pig won't whistle for nothing.
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I would even do it, you can hardly lose much... So no more than normal.
But as I don't play in unlicensed stalls, unfortunately I can't, keyword RTP.
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In 17 years of reading "casino forums", I have seen many users who have figured out the system, but no one has ever been so convincing and rhetorically correct.
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@ TE: From my point of view, this is about the classic misconception among gamblers that you can influence something in a random-based game.
Whether I spin the slot 60 times and then take a 7-minute break...
...or whether I spin 20 times and then just put on my white T-shirt with the lucky inscription while I sing a medley of several national anthems...because exactlyuuuuu after that free spins have already come a few times...
...i might win and I might lose.
From my point of view, the Random Number Generator alone decides which pictures and which numbers you are awarded.
I would like to point out that I think the slots can be controlled by AI to increase the win for the casinos,
by the system analyzing the player. I don't think it's possible that the "60 spins and then take a break" approach will work from the player's side.
In the short term - by chance - perhaps yes. But never because you have "cracked the system".
With good money management and disciplined play, you can win a few euros - but no one can outsmart the random number generator.
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To be honest, I can't imagine it either. How many times has my money rattled through at the beginning? And how often did I suddenly get bomb free games after playing for a long time?
Why should casinos or game operators expose themselves to Risk by deviating from the random principle? After all, they already have enough influence through algorithms to confuse us players and to get us hooked.
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Oh, so you've read all 6 pages - respect for that. It's just a shame that you got stuck somewhere between page 1 and your lucky white T-shirt.
You talk about "classic misjudgement among gamblers", but you yourself mention that slots could be controlled by AI? So either it's all chance, or it can be influenced - you can only do both at the same time if you bend it to suit yourself.
Because what you completely overlook is the central keyword: session-based control. It's not about magic or crystal balls, but about the targeted reset behavior of RNG systems - depending on session data, cache states, client seeds and user behavior. The fact that you dismiss all this under "60 spins and pause" unfortunately shows that you either didn't understand what was being tested here or didn't understand how modern slot systems work internally.
Nobody is talking about "cracking the system" here - it's about probability shifts through targeted behavior. You call it mumbo jumbo, I call it structured behavioral analysis.
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