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Experience with session management for RNG roulette and slots
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How did you come up with a "2-hour session"?
1. Step: 40 spins on Book Of Dead > I need 4 minutes + 7 minute break = 11 minutes. Let's estimate 10 minutes.
2. Step: 35 spins on Sugar Rush = again, I estimate 4 minutes + 5 minute break. Come on, be so nice and round it off to 10 minutes.
3. Step: 50 spins at The Dog House Megaways = again 5 minutes + 6 minutes break. Because I'm generous, I'll give you 15 minutes.
4. Step: 30 spins on Gates of Olympus = 3 minutes + 6 minute break. I'll round it up to 10 minutes.
5. Step: 50 spins on Big Bass Bonanza = 5 minutes break. 10 minutes should be good enough.
6. Step: 60 spins on Wanted Dead or a Wild = 5 minutes should be enough for this
Added together: 10+10+15+10+10+5=60 minutes. 2 hours have 120 minutes. Sorry, but that's exactly what I doubted. Even with a generous rounding up, there is a big difference here. But you claim that you always work carefully in your "analyses". You also don't need to argue that clearing the cache etc. takes up the remaining hour. It takes a maximum of 5 minutes in total. We're only talking about a few clicks here. Also, I think I was pretty nice and fair in my assessment. 5 seconds/spin, let's make it 10 spins/minute. I rounded because I wanted to come up with a round number. Once in my favor, but the other times always rounded up in your favor.
Sorry to write this so honestly, but for me this is a story from the Paulaner garden.
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Speaking of the Paulanergarten, all that remains is: DLRH! 😂
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That's just it! He only wrote that you have to delete certain browser settings. There's no mention of hardware (e.g. router) and if I'm honest: I wouldn't do it to myself. Sounds like a troll aiming to waste as much time as possible.
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Please don't nail me PC nerd so hard on technical subtleties or hardware details. For the sake of simplicity, I simply referred to "router & cache", but in doing so, I certainly omitted or misrepresented important steps to be followed.
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How exactly did you come up with them?
"You start the session with the game Book of Dead from Play'n GO. You bet exactly €0.20 per spin and play exactly 40 spins. Immediately afterwards you take a break of 7 minutes. During this break, log out of the casino completely, close the app or browser tab completely and delete cookies and cache (i.e. the break history). Then log in again."
Why exactly 40 spins on 20 cents and then a 7-minute break?
Why not 1, 2 or 48 spins for 0.10, 0.30 or 0.70 cents and why not a 5, 6, 8 or 29 minute break?
How exactly do you come up with these numbers?
I'm not even questioning the theory itself, or the so-called "seeds", but simply the way your numbers, which are so eminently important and existential for your system, come about.
Above all, have you also created corresponding "control groups/systems"?
If you haven't, your figures are simply arbitrary and unsubstantiated.
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But since I found the approach interesting, I gave it a rough try, but without your slot, change, number of spins and your prescribed bet.
I always used the same slot and left the bet the same, only the pause times and the deletion of the website data were changed.
My conclusion:
I triggered features/free spins in every session (there were 5 in total), the playing time was less than an hour, after 12, 2, 32 spins and once after 7 and then after 3 more spins. So much more often than with normal use without breaks etc.
My balance was €15.50 at the start and €26.05 at the end
So it doesn't seem to me to be completely made up out of thin air, there could be/is a bit of truth to it, but your depositors and how it came about play a subordinate/no role after I tried it out, the decisive factor, if at all, should be the breaks and the website data.
Of course it could be coincidence, but the frequency of the free spins/features is striking and occurs much more frequently in my experience.
Long story short:
I'll keep an eye on it, the best thing would be to find someone else to "test"☝️😁
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Especially because he then writes something like this (highlighted in bold and underlined):
But if you take that accurately, his numbers don't match. Writes about a guide for a 2 hour session, but it's only an hour at most. This is exactly why such claims are difficult to assess and should be viewed skeptically. I'm also skeptical because the TE spoke with conviction about his "strategies" - as if his strategies were 100% safe and scientifically proven.
He also mentioned that changing seeds can help. But everything is known.
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Maybe the (total) 2 hour session means that the waiting time for the new "game interval" is included, the creator could have meant that 🤔🤔 but that is pure speculation 🤷
Perhaps he also has the answers to the questions raised, I would be very interested 😁🤷
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Human thinking needs boundaries and processes that it can use as a guide. That's why I consciously work with clear lists, changing plans and fixed sequences - sometimes like this, sometimes like that - to specifically test the effect of changes in the session structure. I use different variations, also to avoid "getting stuck" in a fixed way of playing. All of this is not based on a gut feeling, but on many documented sessions over months.
The important thing is that this session structure is not hocus-pocus, but a tool - nothing more, but also nothing less. And as always, if you want to understand it, you are welcome to test it yourself - but please use real money, not bonus credits, because bonus mechanisms behave completely differently.
In any case, the discussion here is exciting - thanks for that!
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For example, you talk about exactly 7 minutes break? You don't mention a certain tolerance, at what point does the 7 minutes no longer apply? From 7 minutes 10 seconds? 20 seconds? 30 seconds ?
Furthermore, it is also not clear WHEN the (EXACT) 7 minute break ends in your opinion, with the login? With the slot start ? With the first spin?
What happens if the slot hangs up, the connection is lost etc PP.?
Do any free spins/features/respins count towards your spin count?
What about the discrepancy mentioned by Frapi of the 2 hours you estimate, where he rightly points out that your described session only lasts one hour?
And if you yourself say that it is (only) about the session structure, then you yourself admit that the exact bets and slots are not relevant.
Nor do you mention whether your "tool" has only been tested with providers that are not licensed in Germany.
The only thing you mention is the opening sentence in which I said "that I do NOT want to dismiss it as hocus-pocus but that questions arise"
You skillfully ignore everything else, saying that you find the discussion interesting, but unfortunately leaving any questions unanswered.
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Leading an investigation committee hola die Waldfee😅 Of course Frapi would be there haha But that wouldn't even theoretically work for long, would get a pulse too quickly on certain topics 😅
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There is a lack of plausibility, the member has discovered an apparent pattern, but doesn't really want to "deliver" anything reliable to work with...
Generally speaking, when someone unleashes a tsunami of words without really saying anything or just repeats their text, albeit in a different structure, the question arises as to their motives.
- He wants to share his knowledge/achievement out of charity.
On the other hand, he does not come out with the language and makes a mystery out of it.
- He has found a theoretical lever and wants to have his theory independently confirmed/tested.
On the other hand, he makes a secret of how the practical implementation works.
- He finds the topic interesting and wants to discuss it.
But here, too, the problem is that there is no specific information that would be necessary.
- He has the holy grail and wants to "sell" his expertise.
This is supported by the fact that he expresses himself very vaguely and doesn't just come around the corner with his knowledge (for free).
- He was lucky in some sessions, but (un)consciously exaggerated it and "trolls" to make himself important
This is supported by the fact that he remains generally vague and theoretical, as there are supposed to be people like that.
These are the motives that come to mind relatively spontaneously (without wanting to imply anything to the member), of course absolutely unbiased, but the whole thing doesn't really make sense to me 🤷
Those are my final thoughts on the matter, but maybe there's something else that can be substantiated, personally I'm hoping that something will come of it ☀️☀️
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About the numbers: The values such as "7 minute break" or "40 spins at €0.20" are not arbitrary, but also not absolutely fixed for every user. These figures come from my own tests and evaluations from several hundred sessions over many months. Patterns have emerged in which certain combinations of number of spins, bet, game and pause time have led to an early bonus or feature particularly often. Of course, deviations were also tested.
So why 7 minutes? Because less effect was observed at 5 or 6 minutes, but no significant improvement at 8 or 9 either. So it is an empirical value, not a mechanical law. And of course: whether the break lasts 7:00 or 7:20 probably doesn't make a dramatic difference - but I still recommend sticking to the values as closely as possible, because consistency is important in tests.
Regarding the question "when does the break end?": When you log in. This means that when you log back into the casino after the break, the break is officially over. It is only important that you have logged out beforehand, deleted the cache/cookies and closed the app or tab.
Free spins, re-spins etc. do not count towards the spin count. It is always only about actively triggered spins, not what the game itself additionally awards.
Regarding the 2-hour discussion: Yes, you're right - in purely mathematical terms, it's more like 60 to 75 minutes of pure playing time. But I described it as a 2-hour session because I deliberately allow for buffers: login processes, cache deletions, minor delays, game launches, etc. In practice, these steps often take longer than you think, especially if you are working with several slots. I will make this clearer in future.
As far as providers are concerned: I mainly tested with providers that are not licensed in Germany because there is no 5-second rule and no €1 Bet limit, for example - things that would be a hindrance to structured sessions. With licensed providers, the results are therefore more difficult to reproduce.
And last but not least: The fact that it's not about the slots themselves or the exact penny amounts, but about the session pattern, is correct. But here too: I work with repetitions and documentation to see again and again how the system reacts to certain playing patterns. The numbers and information are intended to help, not confuse. If anyone wants to test their own slots or bets - very welcome, as long as the break structure is followed.
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Not arbitrary but not fixed either? So it's simply random, at least according to my definition.
"So why 7 minutes? Because less effect was observed at 5 or 6 minutes, but no significant improvement at 8 or 9 either. So it's an empirical value, not a mechanical law. And of course, whether the break lasts 7:00 or 7:20 probably doesn't make a dramatic difference - but I still recommend sticking to the values as closely as possible, because consistency is important in tests."
If it is probably not a dramatic difference, the deviation is not significant and therefore relatively irrelevant.
"Regarding the question "when does the break end?": When you log in. This means that when you log back into the casino after the break, the break is officially over. The only important thing is that you have logged out beforehand, deleted the cache/cookies and closed the app or tab."
This primarily has to do with the already well-known and much-discussed "seeds", so it's not really anything new.
"Free spins, re-spins etc. do not count towards the spin count. It's always only about actively triggered spins, not what the game itself awards additionally."
Okay, then the question arises, do I still continue to play the session after triggering? 🤔 Based on the probabilities in Book of Dead, for example, I ask myself the question, after triggering the freespins after the first spin and extending the freespins several times, do I actually bluntly execute 39 more?
"Regarding the 2-hour discussion: Yes, you're right - in purely mathematical terms, it's more like 60 to 75 minutes of pure playing time. But I described it as a 2-hour session because I deliberately allow for buffers: login processes, cache deletions, minor delays, game launches, etc. In practice, these steps often take longer than you think, especially if you are working with several slots. I will make this clearer in future."
You are completely contradicting yourself by emphasizing the importance of exact times.
"As for the providers: I mainly tested with providers that are not licensed in Germany because there is no 5-second rule and no €1 betting cap, for example - things that would be a hindrance to structured sessions. With licensed providers, the results are therefore more difficult to reproduce."
Why is it more difficult to reproduce? It would be easier because you can't intervene at all in some of the slots, which should help your system (by unintentionally stopping the slot, missing Risk function, etc.) and why is the €1 upper limit a problem? I didn't see any bets in your instructions that wouldn't be allowed in DE.
"And last but not least: That it is not about the slots themselves or the exact cent amounts, but about the session pattern, is correct. But here too: I work with repetitions and documentation to see again and again how the system reacts to certain playing patterns. The numbers and data are intended to help, not confuse. If anyone wants to test their own slots or bets - very welcome, as long as the break structure is adhered to."
Here you yourself confirm that it's simply about seed management, when slot and bet are actually.
I have already tested the pause structure (in a DE booth), as you can see from a previous post, I also mentioned that it was an unlisted slot, the number of spins and also the bet was different, whether the result would be different now is hard to say, but it should be noted that the feature occurred more often than usual.
In the second session with the seed management, however, it only occurred once, so everything was still within the bounds of statistical probability.
A much larger pool of data or gamblers would be needed to really assess this.
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