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Online Casinos in general: Experience with session management for RNG roulette and slots (Page 4)

Topic created on 28th Apr. 2025 | Page: 4 of 8 | Answers: 112 | Views: 3,876
Stromberg
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Experience with session management for RNG roulette and slots

30th Apr. 2025, at 08:55 am CEST#47
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I have more questions of understanding:

How does the game Provider recognize you if you just restart the game and then put you back in the same "seed"? Are identification features sent from the casino to the provider? (General question actually)

What if I play the next 10 spins in another casino instead of waiting? Should then be "better paying" spins again, as the first spins of the session.

If the player is also identified there and put into the same "seed" (such a stupid word😄), then it must be the IP?

Can't you just use the system in casinos that allow vpn and use a different IP? So other casino, delete cookies etc (if that makes any difference at all), vpn other connection and on you go?

Have you made an evaluation of how much the first 10 spins at e.g. provider xy pay more than the next 10 spins?
So e.g. the first 10 spins pay on average 1.2 times the bet. The spins 10-20 only pay 0.8 times the stake?

Can you say that if I play a total of 100 spins in a row, I get an average of 1 bonus feature if I divide the spins up with waiting times for 3 bonus features? or something similar.
Do you use slottracker or similar software?

What do you think would be a plausible reason why so many different providers either have the same weakness in the first spins or have programmed the RNG to pay more in the first spins?

If you look at the comments here on freespins promotions, it is noticeable that people often write their winnings, which is often well below a payback of 90-95%. Is this different from normal spins?

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RNGExperte
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Experience with session management for RNG roulette and slots

30th Apr. 2025, at 12:15 pm CEST#48
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Stromberg wrote on 30.04.2025 at 08:55: I have more comprehension questions:

How does the game Provider recognize you if you just restart the game and then put you back in the same "seed"? Are identification features sent from the casino to the provider? (General question actually)

What if I play the next 10 spins in another casino instead of waiting? Should then be "better paying" spins again, as the first spins of the session.

If the player is also identified there and put into the same "seed" (such a stupid word😄), then it must be the IP?

Can't you just use the system in casinos that allow vpn and use a different IP? So other casino, delete cookies etc (if that makes any difference at all), vpn other connection and on you go?

Have you made an evaluation of how much the first 10 spins at e.g. provider xy pay more than the next 10 spins?
So e.g. the first 10 spins pay on average 1.2 times the bet. The spins 10-20 only pay 0.8 times the stake?

Can you say that if I play a total of 100 spins in a row, I get an average of 1 bonus feature if I split the spins with waiting times for 3 bonus features? or something similar.
Do you use slottracker or similar software?

What do you think would be a plausible reason why so many different providers either have the same weakness in the first spins or have programmed the RNG to pay more in the first spins?

If you look at the comments here on freespins promotions, it is noticeable that people often write their winnings, which is often well below a payback of 90-95%. Is this different from normal spins?


Very good questions - and yes, I have already listed, analyzed and documented quite a lot on these points.


The most important factor that I have identified is
the waiting time between logins.
It sounds banal, but it is precisely this pause that often determines whether you get back into a "favorable phase" when you start again - especially with providers that tend to pay out more in the first few spins.

As far as recognition is concerned:
This varies greatly depending on the provider and casino. Some remember that you are "still the same player" via IP, device fingerprints or session data, even if you restart the game.
Other casinos don't seem to pass anything on - or the provider handles it completely anew. That's why I always test with different casinos and waiting times, even with VPN, cookie deletion, different device, etc.

Your idea of continuing the first 10 spins with wait times in other casinos is exactly what I have done in some cases - with quite interesting results.

Example from my own records:
When I did 100 spins in a row, my bonus feature average was 1 feature per about 90-120 spins.
However, if I split up the 100 spins - in sessions of 10-15 spins with a 5-20 minute break in between - I sometimes ended up with 2-3 features for the same 100 spins.

On the question of why the first spins are often better:
It could be that this is psychologically intentional (so that you get stuck), or technical design from the provider's point of view. It's hard to say - but it occurs with a striking number of providers.

And yes: you can also see it with free spins as part of promotions - the payout is often worse there, well below the normal RTP, as if another game mode were in effect.

I have now listed hundreds of such sessions - with time, slot, casino, waiting time, progression, feature, RTP - and the breaks are the game changer.
If you just go through with it, you lose. If you set breaks, you sometimes have a bonus game after just 10 spins.

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zocker0815
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30th Apr. 2025, at 05:51 pm CEST#49
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yes Roulette is the biggest scam, often see in videos no matter if people film themselves in malta casinos gambling roulette, or playing live roulette via Online Casinos, it happens so often where the ball is actually already in the field and then rolls out again into the neighboring field....


so anyone who still believes in chance when it comes to shit like this still believes in santa claus


i mean you have to be that stupid, then they shout "eyy all fraud" ect... in their insta stories and then carry on playing anyway

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Langhans_innen
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30th Apr. 2025, at 07:52 pm CEST#50
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RNGExpert wrote on 30.04.2025 at 12:15:

And yes: With free spins as part of promotions you can also see it - the payout is often worse there, well below the normal RTP, as if another game mode takes effect.

I don't want to interfere too much, but I would like to make a brief contribution on the subject of free spins/bonus money vs real money.


You've often read the exact opposite here, along the lines of: "You only hit these things in Bonus money and then you have to wager half a million, which doesn't work anyway. As soon as you play with real money, there's nothing left". From a purely emotional point of view, I would estimate that the majority of people publicly hold this opinion.

It's just a thematic rake or a little food for thought in terms of the discussion. Personally, I would firmly assume that there is no justifiable difference in RTP or hit rate that is dependent on this parameter. Not because I know this or can prove it, but because I have never noticed anything fundamental in this respect.

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roccoammo11
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1st May. 2025, at 11:44 am CEST#51
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Langhans_innen wrote on 30.04.2025 at 19:52:
I don't want to interfere too much, but I would like to make a brief contribution on the subject of free spins/bonus money vs real money.


You've often read the exact opposite here, along the lines of: "You only get these things in Bonus money and then you have to wager half a million, which doesn't work anyway. As soon as you play with real money, there's nothing left". From a purely emotional point of view, I would estimate that the majority of people publicly hold this opinion.

It's just a thematic rake or a little food for thought in terms of the discussion. Personally, I would firmly assume that there is no justifiable difference in RTP or hit rate that is dependent on this parameter. Not because I know this or can prove it, but because I have never noticed anything fundamental in this respect.

if you want to experience this feeling then play Platin with bonus and wager it
at least it should be said that it would not be technically impossible...

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Langhans_innen
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1st May. 2025, at 12:26 pm CEST#52
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roccoammo11 wrote on 01.05.2025 at 11:44 am:
if you want to experience this feeling then play on Platin with bonus and realize it
at least it should be said that it would not be technically impossible...

I was never registered with Platin and I don't plan to be in my old age So that could be the final reason why the realization has remained hidden from me so far and I undoubtedly hold the opinion: "Sometimes you hit at the right moment, sometimes you hit at the wrong moment...and mostly you hit nothing"

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RNGExperte
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1st May. 2025, at 02:32 pm CEST#53
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Langhans_innen wrote on 01.05.2025 at 12:26:

I was never registered with Platin and I don't plan to be in my old age So that could be the final reason why the realization has remained hidden from me so far and I undoubtedly hold the opinion: "Sometimes you hit at the right moment, sometimes you hit at the wrong moment...and mostly you hit nothing"

I totally understand your approach - it's just the typical human view of luck: sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

But that's where the misunderstanding lies: we're not talking about dice or fate here - we're talking about human-programmed RNGs, i.e. random generators with logic, patterns and triggers. And what was made by humans can also be seen through by humans.

I have studied the different generator types quite intensively - and also the mechanisms behind them, such as "early wins", seed resets, session storage, etc.
And it quickly becomes clear:
It's not really chance.
It's more about when you enter, how often you pause, how long you wait and whether the generator is reset.

Of course, this is not a "cheat code" - but saying "most of the time you hit nothing" is like saying "Roulette is always red or black". It's roughly true - but it doesn't give you any advantage if you ignore the finer points.

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Pat1991
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1st May. 2025, at 02:51 pm CEST#54
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Okay. Then let's get started. My suggestion: you tell me what to do and I'll publish the results here.

When do I start, how much starting capital do I need?

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RNGExperte
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1st May. 2025, at 03:01 pm CEST#55
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Pat1991 wrote on 01.05.2025 at 14:51: Okay. Let's get started then. My suggestion: you tell me what to do and I'll post the results here.

When do I start, how much starting capital do I need?

Here are your exact instructions for a complete 2-hour session with a starting capital of €50. Please follow the process exactly - without any changes or experiments. The aim is for you to end up in the black at the end of the session.


You start the session with the game Book of Dead from Play'n GO. You bet exactly €0.20 per spin and play exactly 40 spins. Immediately afterwards, you take a break of 7 minutes. During this break, log out of the casino completely, close the app or browser tab completely and delete cookies and cache (i.e. the break history). Then log in again.

Next, play Sugar Rush from Pragmatic Play. Here, too, you bet €0.20 per spin, but this time for exactly 35 spins. After the game, take a break for 5 minutes, again closing the app/tab, deleting the cache and cookies and then logging in again.

Then comes The Dog House Megaways, also from Pragmatic. You play with a bet of €0.10 per spin and complete exactly 50 spins. Then you take a break of 6 minutes under the same conditions as before: log out, close, delete, log in again.

The fourth game is Gates of Olympus from Pragmatic Play. You again bet €0.20 per spin and make exactly 30 spins. Then there is another break of 6 minutes with everything that goes with it.

Then it's on to Big Bass Bonanza from Reel Kingdom. Here you play 50 spins with a bet of €0.16 per spin. This game is again followed by a 5-minute break with the complete reset process.

At the end of your session, you play Wanted Dead or a Wild from Hacksaw Gaming. You bet €0.10 per spin and play exactly 60 spins. The session is then over.

Very important: You don't use autospins in any game, you don't buy any bonus games, you don't intervene manually anywhere, but play the session exactly as planned. There is a break between each game - not just a "short" break, but exactly the specified minutes. During this time, you are completely logged out and have deleted your cache and cookies so that the Provider actually recognizes the session as a new one.

Do this and then get back to me with the result. I can't wait to see what you come up with!

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Langhans_innen
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1st May. 2025, at 03:09 pm CEST#56
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RNGExpert wrote on 01.05.2025 at 14:32:

I totally understand your approach - it's just the typical human view of luck: sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

But that's where the misunderstanding lies: we're not talking about dice or fate here - but about human-programmed RNGs, i.e. random generators with logic, patterns and triggers. And what was made by humans can also be seen through by humans.

I have studied the different generator types quite intensively - and also the mechanisms behind them, such as "early wins", seed resets, session storage, etc.
And it quickly becomes clear:
It's not really chance.
It's more about when you enter, how often you pause, how long you wait and whether the generator is reset.

Of course, this is not a "cheat code" - but saying "most of the time you hit nothing" is like saying "Roulette is always red or black". It's roughly true - but it doesn't give you any advantage if you ignore the subtleties.

It may well be that I get it all wrong far too often and too subjectively, but I haven't yet received a cogent explanation as to why things are much more stable in real money I added the "mostly you hit nothing" flippantly afterwards to better reflect the zeitgeist of a gambling forum

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Pat1991
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1st May. 2025, at 03:40 pm CEST#57
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RNGExpert wrote on 01.05.2025 at 15:01:

Here are your exact instructions for a complete 2-hour session with a starting capital of €50. Please follow the procedure exactly - without any changes or experiments of your own. The aim is for you to end up in the black at the end of the session.


You start the session with the game Book of Dead from Play'n GO. You bet exactly €0.20 per spin and play exactly 40 spins. Immediately afterwards, you take a break of 7 minutes. During this break, log out of the casino completely, close the app or browser tab completely and delete cookies and cache (i.e. the break history). Then log in again.

Next, play Sugar Rush from Pragmatic Play. Here, too, you bet €0.20 per spin, but this time for exactly 35 spins. After the game, take a break for 5 minutes, again closing the app/tab, deleting the cache and cookies and then logging in again.

This is followed by The Dog House Megaways, also from Pragmatic. You play with a bet of €0.10 per spin and complete exactly 50 spins. Then you take a break of 6 minutes under the same conditions as before: log out, close, delete, log in again.

The fourth game is Gates of Olympus from Pragmatic Play. You again bet €0.20 per spin and make exactly 30 spins. Then there is another break of 6 minutes with everything that goes with it.

Then it's on to Big Bass Bonanza from Reel Kingdom. Here you play 50 spins with a bet of €0.16 per spin. This game is again followed by a 5-minute break with the complete reset process.

At the end of your session, you play Wanted Dead or a Wild from Hacksaw Gaming. You bet €0.10 per spin and play exactly 60 spins. The session is then over.

Very important: You don't use autospins in any game, you don't buy any bonus games, you don't intervene manually anywhere, but play the session exactly as planned. There is a break between each game - not just a "short" break, but exactly the specified minutes. During this time, you are completely logged out and have deleted your cache and cookies so that the Provider actually recognizes the session as a new one.

Do this and then get back to me with the result. I can't wait to see what you come up with!

I'm currently playing, but have a different starting budget (bonus is also included) and have already completed a few rounds

Can I just follow your instructions to get started? Should I log out first and wait and see?

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Pat1991
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1st May. 2025, at 05:13 pm CEST#58
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My balance is running low. So I won't be testing the system today

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1st May. 2025, at 05:31 pm CEST#59
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Pat1991 wrote on 01.05.2025 at 17:13: My balance is slowly running out. So there will be no system testing today

Well, if you've already done a few rounds and still have bonus credit active, I'd go out completely first. Bonus credit distorts everything - the instructions don't work with it, that's very important.


It's best to start a new session later: log out, close the app, delete the cache and cookies - and then start again. This is the only way to get the structure right. Unfortunately, anything else will not produce any useful results.

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1st May. 2025, at 05:36 pm CEST#60
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Does that mean I can't test your strategy with my bonus? There is no "normal money" left, only bonus money.

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1st May. 2025, at 06:04 pm CEST#61
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Exactly - unfortunately this doesn't work with bonus money. What I am observing and testing here relates exclusively to real money, because Bonus money is subject to completely different rules and mechanisms in the background.

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