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Online Casinos in general: Experience with session management for RNG roulette and slots (Page 4)

Topic created on 28th Apr. 2025 | Page: 4 of 4 | Answers: 48 | Views: 1,154
Stromberg
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Experience with session management for RNG roulette and slots

30th Apr. 2025, at 08:55 am CEST#47
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I have more questions of understanding:

How does the game Provider recognize you if you just restart the game and then put you back in the same "seed"? Are identification features sent from the casino to the provider? (General question actually)

What if I play the next 10 spins in another casino instead of waiting? Should then be "better paying" spins again, as the first spins of the session.

If the player is also identified there and put into the same "seed" (such a stupid word😄), then it must be the IP?

Can't you just use the system in casinos that allow vpn and use a different IP? So other casino, delete cookies etc (if that makes any difference at all), vpn other connection and on you go?

Have you made an evaluation of how much the first 10 spins at e.g. provider xy pay more than the next 10 spins?
So e.g. the first 10 spins pay on average 1.2 times the bet. The spins 10-20 only pay 0.8 times the stake?

Can you say that if I play a total of 100 spins in a row, I get an average of 1 bonus feature if I divide the spins up with waiting times for 3 bonus features? or something similar.
Do you use slottracker or similar software?

What do you think would be a plausible reason why so many different providers either have the same weakness in the first spins or have programmed the RNG to pay more in the first spins?

If you look at the comments here on freespins promotions, it is noticeable that people often write their winnings, which is often well below a payback of 90-95%. Is this different from normal spins?

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RNGExperte
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Experience with session management for RNG roulette and slots

30th Apr. 2025, at 12:15 pm CEST#48
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Stromberg wrote on 30.04.2025 at 08:55: I have more comprehension questions:

How does the game Provider recognize you if you just restart the game and then put you back in the same "seed"? Are identification features sent from the casino to the provider? (General question actually)

What if I play the next 10 spins in another casino instead of waiting? Should then be "better paying" spins again, as the first spins of the session.

If the player is also identified there and put into the same "seed" (such a stupid word😄), then it must be the IP?

Can't you just use the system in casinos that allow vpn and use a different IP? So other casino, delete cookies etc (if that makes any difference at all), vpn other connection and on you go?

Have you made an evaluation of how much the first 10 spins at e.g. provider xy pay more than the next 10 spins?
So e.g. the first 10 spins pay on average 1.2 times the bet. The spins 10-20 only pay 0.8 times the stake?

Can you say that if I play a total of 100 spins in a row, I get an average of 1 bonus feature if I split the spins with waiting times for 3 bonus features? or something similar.
Do you use slottracker or similar software?

What do you think would be a plausible reason why so many different providers either have the same weakness in the first spins or have programmed the RNG to pay more in the first spins?

If you look at the comments here on freespins promotions, it is noticeable that people often write their winnings, which is often well below a payback of 90-95%. Is this different from normal spins?


Very good questions - and yes, I have already listed, analyzed and documented quite a lot on these points.


The most important factor that I have identified is
the waiting time between logins.
It sounds banal, but it is precisely this pause that often determines whether you get back into a "favorable phase" when you start again - especially with providers that tend to pay out more in the first few spins.

As far as recognition is concerned:
This varies greatly depending on the provider and casino. Some remember that you are "still the same player" via IP, device fingerprints or session data, even if you restart the game.
Other casinos don't seem to pass anything on - or the provider handles it completely anew. That's why I always test with different casinos and waiting times, even with VPN, cookie deletion, different device, etc.

Your idea of continuing the first 10 spins with wait times in other casinos is exactly what I have done in some cases - with quite interesting results.

Example from my own records:
When I did 100 spins in a row, my bonus feature average was 1 feature per about 90-120 spins.
However, if I split up the 100 spins - in sessions of 10-15 spins with a 5-20 minute break in between - I sometimes ended up with 2-3 features for the same 100 spins.

On the question of why the first spins are often better:
It could be that this is psychologically intentional (so that you get stuck), or technical design from the provider's point of view. It's hard to say - but it occurs with a striking number of providers.

And yes: you can also see it with free spins as part of promotions - the payout is often worse there, well below the normal RTP, as if another game mode were in effect.

I have now listed hundreds of such sessions - with time, slot, casino, waiting time, progression, feature, RTP - and the breaks are the game changer.
If you just go through with it, you lose. If you set breaks, you sometimes have a bonus game after just 10 spins.

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zocker0815
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Experience with session management for RNG roulette and slots

30th Apr. 2025, at 05:51 pm CEST#49
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yes Roulette is the biggest scam, often see in videos no matter if people film themselves in malta casinos gambling roulette, or playing live roulette via Online Casinos, it happens so often where the ball is actually already in the field and then rolls out again into the neighboring field....


so anyone who still believes in chance when it comes to shit like this still believes in santa claus


i mean you have to be that stupid, then they shout "eyy all fraud" ect... in their insta stories and then carry on playing anyway

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Langhans_innen
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Experience with session management for RNG roulette and slots

30th Apr. 2025, at 07:52 pm CEST#50
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RNGExpert wrote on 30.04.2025 at 12:15:

And yes: With free spins as part of promotions you can also see it - the payout is often worse there, well below the normal RTP, as if another game mode takes effect.

I don't want to interfere too much, but I would like to make a brief contribution on the subject of free spins/bonus money vs real money.


You've often read the exact opposite here, along the lines of: "You only hit these things in Bonus money and then you have to wager half a million, which doesn't work anyway. As soon as you play with real money, there's nothing left". From a purely emotional point of view, I would estimate that the majority of people publicly hold this opinion.

It's just a thematic rake or a little food for thought in terms of the discussion. Personally, I would firmly assume that there is no justifiable difference in RTP or hit rate that is dependent on this parameter. Not because I know this or can prove it, but because I have never noticed anything fundamental in this respect.

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