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Had 3 euros then with book of Ra up to 11, then I asked myself why continue playing at all? With these shamefully new bonus conditions? I still played the spins down to 0 anyway.
Oh well, as soon as you win something with 5 fs / 140 euros it is suddenly only to be implemented with real money 🤣because they want to test something we like hahahaha Rip StarGames so the site will soon go offline 👍
It would be best to deposit nothing more because then you get more free spins.
That's the last dirt, if you don't deposit anything you get significantly more free spins.
As soon as you deposit something, you only get 5... free spins, all of which come to nothing.show more
I got 15 Fs on the wheel and another 65 in the games win 106 euros almost 1std played always 1 euro and I still have 120 euros bonus turnover 0 of 3195
This time you can only convert the bonus with real money. You can play your way up with the bonus, but bets with bonus money do not contribute to the conversion. Thank you for your understanding.
@StarGames_Official: I'm mostly (probably too often) sympathetic to any special "conditions", but StarGames do you guys have your asses handed to you? Do you flip a coin or do you brainstorm daily how to best communicate to people that they are... being screwed ?show more
@Druff: No. We have made it clear to you several times that the new bonus system is very dynamic and that we can and will change individual parameters. Simply to test out what players like better. So please always take a look at the terms... and conditions.
We will also improve the bonus page and make it clearer which money converts to the bonus.show more
@StarGames_Official: As if players would like it better if they only had to wager bonus money with real money. That's more real dirt and you certainly won't be able to satisfy any players with it.
@StarGames_Official: "simply to test out what the players like better"?
Wagering a bonus 30 times, only with real money, to then have a maximum conversion of 300 euros? There won't be anyone who will like this great idea, but you already knew... that when you decided on this ingenious parameter.
We have a saying
"Don't paint a fut on my cheek and tell me it's an apple"
So I certainly won't deposit a cent for this promo, and I won't invest a cent of real money in it either, I hope everyone handles it that way, it's "transparent" (that's how you want to sell it or well... you know yourself... right) but it's not exactly GUTS advertising for you and that's what it's all about ...show more
@StarGames_Official: "We will also improve the bonus page and make it clearer which money converts to the bonus.
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I'll tell you how it is, you didn't do yourselves any favors.
Let me compare your weekly promotion with another... provider:
Promotion StarGames:
weekly 5 to 20 or 30 freespins
- Wager your wins 30 times
- Wagering only possible with real money
- Max conversion 300
Promotion of the competition:
5 to 20 freespins, freebets or real money DAILY
- Freespin wins are real money and withdrawable
- Cash is cash
- Freebet winnings are real money
- max payout? No limit
Plus every few days (12 or 13), 10 Euro freebet redeemable without conditions and can be paid out immediately after the win.
So now I ask you, how would you rate your offer compared to that of the competition?
Of course only in terms of customer satisfaction and entertainment, because your promos are about what the customer likes better, at least that's what you say 😂show more
@StarGames_Official: This is of course Bwin with the daily wheel, plus the daily 10 cash spins for 20 euros turnover in the slots.
I'll even leave out the soccer promos for the sake of fairness.
@StarGames_Official: Or do you prefer Sunmaker Wheel, Monday's & Friday's? For example, there is cash, cash spins and lots for a draw, and Wednesday slot of the week with cash prizes 😁
For depositors also more often
times cashspins
@StarGames_Official: I'm pointing my thumb clearly downwards 👎👎👎👎 Are you testing how far you can go with us, or how your customers' IQs are? I hope better than you seem to think.
@Druff: Thanks for the info. We'll have a look at it.
A quick reaction: we don't think we have many promotions. Every Monday we have Cash Drops in Pragmatic games. The wheel of fortune every Wednesday. Every Sunday 30 free spins... for a bet of 30 euros. Races every day. And seasonal promotions on top of that. So it's certainly not a lack of quantity.
How the implementation criteria differ and what is better - that is exactly what we are now trying to experiment with. We'll take your feedback on board.show more
@Tigerbaby2004: Thank you also for your feedback. We'll take it on board. We'll test what the players like better. You don't like it, got it, thanks for the info.
Maybe some people will like it. We won't know until the... campaign is over. Thank you for your understanding.show more
@Druff: Don't forget the mega great RTP of sometimes bottomless 84% at sunmaker and deposit fees of 1 euro via paysafecard 😉👋 they'll get the money back for the whole thing 😉
@StarGames_Official: I didn't say that you have LESS action ☝️
It's the conditions that are decisive...
The 30 Sunday free spins for 30 euros turnover ... I haven't looked it up, I must confess... that's why I speculate that you... have to wager the wins from the free spins so and so often and then in combination with a max conversion it's just unattractive...
For example at wunderino there are almost daily 20 and more cashspins for a 20 € depositor, without max win and x times conversion of something ...show more
@StarGames_Official: But seriously, take berni70 as an example: €106 bonus, wager over €3000 with real money to possibly be able to pay out €300. You end up depositing more than the bonus is worth ...
You are really the only ones where you get a bonus... that you can play with but can't wager anything with it ... at least in Germany ... 😂
I'm thinking about which promotion I can compare your offer from today with, but I can't find anything...
Does anyone have a halfway comparable promotion in mind?show more
@Druff: Or take Ik4456 as an example: "I now have 190 on the clock and only had to turn over €13.50 according to the bonus..."
So he only has to wager €13.50 in real money to convert €190.
The world is not always black. Sometimes... it's white.
As I said, we run it as a test. That's why we've been running campaigns in recent weeks with sometimes lower and sometimes higher wagering requirements, different maximum conversion amounts and so on.
These tests did not start today, but earlier. We are trying to find the optimal criteria that work best for you but also for us.
And again: we take your feedback on board. But just because 3 people who comment here don't like it doesn't mean that all the other 1,000+ people who play with us won't like it either. Thank you for your understanding.show more
@StarGames_Official: Yes, hopefully you have thought of your control groups for the "tests that started earlier and not today"... Without a control group, the tests don't really help 😁😂
@Jaffa2110: I am aware of this, which is why I wrote "you are the only ones who do it this way, at least in Germany", i.e. it was approved and permitted in Germany 😁
@Druff: Well, we don't think so. That we are the only licensed casino in Germany that does NOT throw out cash free spins without end. Or that the bonuses from the free spins can only be converted into real money. So we already know... our competitors and we know that this is not out of line with the market.
Of course, you can now start discussing which is better:
- achieving a 40x/50x/60x wagering requirement with real money and bonus money OR
- 20x/30x wagering requirement with real money only.show more
@StarGames_Official: No, of course you're the only ones who don't knock out without cash spins, that's not my point at all... it's also completely legitimate not to do so...
So which provider licensed in Germany only allows you to... wager bonuses with real money? I really don't know of any, who should it be? Another user can also let me know if StarGames doesn't want that haha
I also completely understand that StarGames is a company and wants to generate revenue/wins, and it's not easy to find a middle ground, I understand that BUT I doubt that this change will change anything to the effect that StarGames will like it again.
It's totally clear what happens with the bonus from today, you have a €2 bonus and have to wager €60 with real money, what do you do of course? You play with the bonus and if you manage to get over € 60 bonus, you just deposit and try to lose as little real money as possible in converting the bonus, but 95% lose the bonus quickly, and also do not deposit to convert, so I would assume that there is no significant change in your wins 🤷
I would be really interested in the statistics haha but it would be even more interesting to offer the promotion on the same day as Admiral to have really reliable statistics and information on how this promotion is accepted and how the total numbers develop for both ☝️😁show more
@StarGames_Official: Honestly? For me, neither option really leads to the goal (neither from the player's nor your point of view, I'm firmly convinced of that by the way, unfortunately we will never know the data) because it is capped ......
Let's take an average of €5 from the spins today, wager €200 with real money to turn it into real money? You either need to be lucky at the end of the day to wager 10 or 20 euros, or you have to invest 50 or more, and you also need luck...
But if I really had to choose it would be the variant with adjusted conversion of the (unlikely) win ...
20 x rollover = 200
30 x rollover = 300
40 x rollover = 400
50 x rollover = 500
60 x rollover = 600 ...
After all, you have already adjusted that after the rollover no additional conversion is necessary ☝️😉
But it would definitely make more sense if, for example, the €30 wagering you mentioned for 30 freespins were wager-free... otherwise they are not really freespins as a small bonus for wagering. ☝️ You could also wager €40 for 30 freespins or €50 for 40 ... but wagering 30 times is definitely too high ... and let's be honest, even if it's cash spins, you'll get €2 or €3 out of it, rather less, you a) can't cash out anyway b) hardly anyone will cash out 12 or 13 if they deposited 20 or so beforehand to get the spins 😉show more
@Druff: Quick correction: with €5 from the wheel today, you should convert €150 into real money. Sounds like a lot, of course. And it is.
In this case, however, we would simply play with the €5 bonus. If we can play our way up to... €15-20-30, then it's worth wagering €150 in real money. Of course, you don't have to deposit €150 - the two are not identical.
Simple math: with €150, I as a player lose an average of €15 at the German RTP and get this €15 back from the bonus conversion. Of course, with a €20 or €30 bonus, I would even be in the black.
That's the idea behind it, and maybe some players will like it.
But we are still trying to find the best variants - there are still campaigns with conversion of bonus money and real money, cash spins, etc. show more
@StarGames_Official: Yes, I got all the numbers mixed up, sorry about that haha ...
Yes THEORETICALLY the calculation example works, with the 15 that I lose and get back, but especially with the German RTP, the thesis that you can wager 150 € with a... 10 € depositor is very daring 😁 And it has nothing to do with math if it is supposed to be random ...
So maybe one or two people like it (which I doubt), because most people probably haven't even noticed it today unless they're here or elsewhere...
I just assume that the returns are below expectations, that's why the promos are being tinkered with etc. but whether it was then (at least for today) the solution that can only be implemented with real money, shows the evaluation of the experiment... you can be curious.
My thesis is as I said, most people didn't even notice because the win was quickly back to 0 anyway.show more
@Druff: I've been a customer for almost 15 years and I'm just disappointed. Apart from the wagering, you used to get real money for your birthday, for example. Personally, I love playing Bor classic and StarGames is the only... casino where there are no free spins and if there are, then about 1.58. So I don't deposit anything there anymore.show more
@bubbamaus68: You can tell by the ignorance. I used to deposit a lot there too, but now nothing works anymore and they keep trying to sell the players for fools. Anyone who still deposits here has only themselves to blame.
And then these... statements about wanting the best for the player All they want is for you to keep depositing and still not be able to pay out anything show more
@Maddin: Ignorance? Is it ignorant to be on this forum? To reply to feedback, comments and insults? Really? What reality do we live in?
Nobody here is silent about the fact that a casino wants to make a win. That's normal. But we... still want our players to have fun playing (as far as possible with the German regulations). That's what every casino and every business wants. Netflix wants you to have fun when you watch the series and movies. Because if you have fun, you'll come back.
Why do we want it any other way? Don't we want to have customers? You don't believe that yourself.show more
Do I have to wager the bonus with real money?
I now have 190 on the speedometer and according to the bonus I only had to wager € 13.50...I have done this 10 times so far and it is still 0 % when wagering...
I have only played... bonus gamesshow more
@RebellYell: Best take screenshots and ask the SG manager here tomorrow in the thread sounds like a bug.
The terms and conditions for the bonus also state the following
"Your bets in selected games contribute proportionally to the conversion.... This means that if you wish, you can use money in selected games according to the wagering requirements. Details of the games that can be played with the bonus can always be found under the menu item "My bonuses" in your player account. "
Unfortunately, I can't check there as my bonus was used up relatively quickly and therefore there is nothing under this menu item. Maybe there are actually" selected games " which would be very new to me at SG 🤷🏻♂️ otherwise you'll have to have a look at the SG Manager here tomorrow, he always helps 👍show more
@Toastbrot: I also played some of the games in the selected bonus games. So they should have counted in any case. I have written to the manager here. Thanks for checking the terms and conditions.
It's not a bug. This time you can only convert the bonus with real money. You can play your way up with the bonus, but bets with bonus money do not contribute to the conversion. Thank you for your understanding.
@StarGames_Official: Somehow I think the answer here is a bit off. For months it was regulated differently with the free games on Tuesday. At first glance, it was not clear why the turnover was not counted. "....is clearly stated in the terms and... conditions". Yes, sorry that I didn't immediately think to read the T&Cs properly, but thought at first that there were (once again) technical problems. This has happened very often recently!show more
@RebellYell: Thanks again for your feedback. As I said, we will improve the bonus page to show this setting (bets with which money contribute to the conversion) clearly at first glance for active and inactive bonuses. Coming in 1-2 weeks.... Thank you for your understanding.show more
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24th Apr. 2024 at 05:31 am CESTThat's the last dirt, if you don't deposit anything you get significantly more free spins.
As soon as you deposit something, you only get 5... free spins, all of which come to nothing. show more
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We will also improve the bonus page and make it clearer which money converts to the bonus. show more
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24th Apr. 2024 at 07:13 am CESTWagering a bonus 30 times, only with real money, to then have a maximum conversion of 300 euros? There won't be anyone who will like this great idea, but you already knew... that when you decided on this ingenious parameter.
We have a saying
"Don't paint a fut on my cheek and tell me it's an apple"
So I certainly won't deposit a cent for this promo, and I won't invest a cent of real money in it either, I hope everyone handles it that way, it's "transparent" (that's how you want to sell it or well... you know yourself... right) but it's not exactly GUTS advertising for you and that's what it's all about ... show more
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24th Apr. 2024 at 07:50 am CESTShow less"
I'll tell you how it is, you didn't do yourselves any favors.
Let me compare your weekly promotion with another... provider:
Promotion StarGames:
weekly 5 to 20 or 30 freespins
- Wager your wins 30 times
- Wagering only possible with real money
- Max conversion 300
Promotion of the competition:
5 to 20 freespins, freebets or real money DAILY
- Freespin wins are real money and withdrawable
- Cash is cash
- Freebet winnings are real money
- max payout? No limit
Plus every few days (12 or 13), 10 Euro freebet redeemable without conditions and can be paid out immediately after the win.
So now I ask you, how would you rate your offer compared to that of the competition?
Of course only in terms of customer satisfaction and entertainment, because your promos are about what the customer likes better, at least that's what you say 😂 show more
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24th Apr. 2024 at 09:20 am CESTI'll even leave out the soccer promos for the sake of fairness.
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24th Apr. 2024 at 09:25 am CESTFor depositors also more often
times cashspins
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A quick reaction: we don't think we have many promotions. Every Monday we have Cash Drops in Pragmatic games. The wheel of fortune every Wednesday. Every Sunday 30 free spins... for a bet of 30 euros. Races every day. And seasonal promotions on top of that. So it's certainly not a lack of quantity.
How the implementation criteria differ and what is better - that is exactly what we are now trying to experiment with. We'll take your feedback on board. show more
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Maybe some people will like it. We won't know until the... campaign is over. Thank you for your understanding. show more
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Druff
24th Apr. 2024 at 10:01 am CESTIt's the conditions that are decisive...
The 30 Sunday free spins for 30 euros turnover ... I haven't looked it up, I must confess... that's why I speculate that you... have to wager the wins from the free spins so and so often and then in combination with a max conversion it's just unattractive...
For example at wunderino there are almost daily 20 and more cashspins for a 20 € depositor, without max win and x times conversion of something ... show more
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Druff
24th Apr. 2024 at 10:07 am CESTYes, of course I don't play BoD there with the brilliant RTP of 84% 😂
And of course they'll get it back somehow, they all do... ☝️aber that's not the point 😛😂 show more
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24th Apr. 2024 at 10:30 am CESTYou are really the only ones where you get a bonus... that you can play with but can't wager anything with it ... at least in Germany ... 😂
I'm thinking about which promotion I can compare your offer from today with, but I can't find anything...
Does anyone have a halfway comparable promotion in mind? show more
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So he only has to wager €13.50 in real money to convert €190.
The world is not always black. Sometimes... it's white.
As I said, we run it as a test. That's why we've been running campaigns in recent weeks with sometimes lower and sometimes higher wagering requirements, different maximum conversion amounts and so on.
These tests did not start today, but earlier. We are trying to find the optimal criteria that work best for you but also for us.
And again: we take your feedback on board. But just because 3 people who comment here don't like it doesn't mean that all the other 1,000+ people who play with us won't like it either. Thank you for your understanding. show more
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Of course, you can now start discussing which is better:
- achieving a 40x/50x/60x wagering requirement with real money and bonus money OR
- 20x/30x wagering requirement with real money only. show more
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24th Apr. 2024 at 02:55 pm CESTSo which provider licensed in Germany only allows you to... wager bonuses with real money? I really don't know of any, who should it be? Another user can also let me know if StarGames doesn't want that haha
I also completely understand that StarGames is a company and wants to generate revenue/wins, and it's not easy to find a middle ground, I understand that BUT I doubt that this change will change anything to the effect that StarGames will like it again.
It's totally clear what happens with the bonus from today, you have a €2 bonus and have to wager €60 with real money, what do you do of course? You play with the bonus and if you manage to get over € 60 bonus, you just deposit and try to lose as little real money as possible in converting the bonus, but 95% lose the bonus quickly, and also do not deposit to convert, so I would assume that there is no significant change in your wins 🤷
I would be really interested in the statistics haha but it would be even more interesting to offer the promotion on the same day as Admiral to have really reliable statistics and information on how this promotion is accepted and how the total numbers develop for both ☝️😁 show more
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1. 40x/50x/60x wagering requirement with real money and bonus money OR
2. 20x/30x wagering requirement with real money only
Of course we would all just take cash... with no requirements and we have promotions like this anyway.
But if there are only the two options, we would be interested to know which one you would take. Apparently this is option #1? show more
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24th Apr. 2024 at 05:44 pm CESTLet's take an average of €5 from the spins today, wager €200 with real money to turn it into real money? You either need to be lucky at the end of the day to wager 10 or 20 euros, or you have to invest 50 or more, and you also need luck...
But if I really had to choose it would be the variant with adjusted conversion of the (unlikely) win ...
20 x rollover = 200
30 x rollover = 300
40 x rollover = 400
50 x rollover = 500
60 x rollover = 600 ...
After all, you have already adjusted that after the rollover no additional conversion is necessary ☝️😉
But it would definitely make more sense if, for example, the €30 wagering you mentioned for 30 freespins were wager-free... otherwise they are not really freespins as a small bonus for wagering. ☝️ You could also wager €40 for 30 freespins or €50 for 40 ... but wagering 30 times is definitely too high ... and let's be honest, even if it's cash spins, you'll get €2 or €3 out of it, rather less, you a) can't cash out anyway b) hardly anyone will cash out 12 or 13 if they deposited 20 or so beforehand to get the spins 😉 show more
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In this case, however, we would simply play with the €5 bonus. If we can play our way up to... €15-20-30, then it's worth wagering €150 in real money. Of course, you don't have to deposit €150 - the two are not identical.
Simple math: with €150, I as a player lose an average of €15 at the German RTP and get this €15 back from the bonus conversion. Of course, with a €20 or €30 bonus, I would even be in the black.
That's the idea behind it, and maybe some players will like it.
But we are still trying to find the best variants - there are still campaigns with conversion of bonus money and real money, cash spins, etc. show more
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24th Apr. 2024 at 06:37 pm CESTYes THEORETICALLY the calculation example works, with the 15 that I lose and get back, but especially with the German RTP, the thesis that you can wager 150 € with a... 10 € depositor is very daring 😁 And it has nothing to do with math if it is supposed to be random ...
So maybe one or two people like it (which I doubt), because most people probably haven't even noticed it today unless they're here or elsewhere...
I just assume that the returns are below expectations, that's why the promos are being tinkered with etc. but whether it was then (at least for today) the solution that can only be implemented with real money, shows the evaluation of the experiment... you can be curious.
My thesis is as I said, most people didn't even notice because the win was quickly back to 0 anyway. show more
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24th Apr. 2024 at 10:03 pm CESTAnd then these... statements about wanting the best for the player All they want is for you to keep depositing and still not be able to pay out anything show more
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Nobody here is silent about the fact that a casino wants to make a win. That's normal. But we... still want our players to have fun playing (as far as possible with the German regulations). That's what every casino and every business wants. Netflix wants you to have fun when you watch the series and movies. Because if you have fun, you'll come back.
Why do we want it any other way? Don't we want to have customers? You don't believe that yourself. show more
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From this 150€ for payout
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24th Apr. 2024 at 01:12 am CESTI now have 190 on the speedometer and according to the bonus I only had to wager € 13.50...I have done this 10 times so far and it is still 0 % when wagering...
I have only played... bonus games show more
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24th Apr. 2024 at 12:47 am CESTThe terms and conditions for the bonus also state the following
"Your bets in selected games contribute proportionally to the conversion.... This means that if you wish, you can use money in selected games according to the wagering requirements. Details of the games that can be played with the bonus can always be found under the menu item "My bonuses" in your player account. "
Unfortunately, I can't check there as my bonus was used up relatively quickly and therefore there is nothing under this menu item. Maybe there are actually" selected games " which would be very new to me at SG 🤷🏻♂️ otherwise you'll have to have a look at the SG Manager here tomorrow, he always helps 👍 show more
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However, bets with bonus money do not contribute to conversion this time. This is clearly stated in the terms and conditions.
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