Julian wrote on 28.09.2022 at 21:00: The new Fifa23 is already released for pre-orderers and on Twitch you can already find countless streamers who pay in from morning to night to pull the lootbox-like "packs".
Since the majority of the German-speaking streamers, who broadcast these streams at the same time, had criticized the casino streams on Twitch a few days before, I would be interested in your general opinion on the subject.
Would you call this a double standard, or are streams about lootbox systems in video games for minors even more harmless than casino streams on Twitch?
I don't necessarily think that you can impute a double standard there
With Fifa, it's still stupid if you overdo it, but at least there you still get your money's worth
Also you have to remember that streamers are role models for their viewers and in the worst case the kids buy some lootboxes but with casino streams most of them run to the gambling den or OC and ruin themselves totally which is much faster than with lootboxes
So Lootboxes are but rather to control than a Gambling addiction in the area of slots because casinos will always be there and everywhere and since I have already experienced from my own experience as "children" (just 18) sit in the arcade and whine like knossi has me gefi**t then we see how big the influence of the streamers is
Patizi wrote on 28.09.2022 at 21:44
Collectible albums for all children's series or just for the World Cup/EM, trading cards,action figures and and and....
Currently is with us Paw Patrol the things at all for the little one. No matter what
They all milk the cow to earn their money. What is now all of it really useful, we leave undecided
In the end, what counts is that the children have fun doing it.
But you can't compare that now.
You buy FIFA is not so that it is free, and then you do not play it at all but buy the packs so that you can then flex at your schoolyard or Internet friends the same principle is also in the casino eg
Someone has a good picture on the machine
and Zack you want that too and chases what and because always new games come it does not stop
What you mean is just fun where the kids have fun. That is all legitimate
But to fill games that cost money with in game purchases is hard
A few years ago there was a shit storm because of a star wars game where EA took out the in game purchases. Why the FIFA community is doing this is a mystery to me because if the players want to do something about it, they certainly could or the streamers
But there are so many different levels earning money that nobody says anything, even if it was discussed from time to time
Happens at EA only what if players rest or set them hindered
Letzten they have shown a 12j addicted to lootbooxen in a mobile game was, the mother has reacted well and directly sought help. There was just 700 euros away for a free to play game
This all comes from YouTube or twich or discord
If I had children, I would pay close attention and educate the children
You buy FIFA is not so that it is free, and then you do not play it at all but buy the packs so that you can then flex at your schoolyard or Internet friends the same principle is also in the casino e.g
Someone has a good picture on the machine
and Zack you want that too and chases what and because always new games come it does not stop
What you mean is just fun where the kids have fun. That is all legitimate
But to fill games that cost money with in game purchases is hard
A few years ago there was a shit storm because of a star wars game where EA took out the in game purchases. Why the FIFA community is doing this is a mystery to me because if the players want to do something about it, they certainly could or the streamers
But there are so many different levels earning money that nobody says anything, even if it was discussed from time to time
Happens at EA only what if players rest or set them hindered
Letzten they have shown a 12j addicted to lootbooxen in a mobile game was, the mother has reacted well and directly sought help. There was just 700 euros away for a free to play game
This all comes from YouTube or twich or discord
If I had children I would be very careful and educate the children
I do not want to say directly that I think it's good that there is still bought in the game but it's just so that you have to invest further and further in other things
Addiction goes fast. You have to be careful as a parent that it remains within the framework. Control is important and also education. But it is now once also so that one is easier to influence as a child and especially we all know how that can run in the schoolyard. Also something I do not find good but you quickly become an outsider. Which is just total nonsense but children are hard
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Because of this pay-to-win nonsense I already lost my interest in games years ago
Royal777 wrote on 28.09.2022 at 23:18: This pay-to-win nonsense made me lose the desire to play games years ago
I think if you compare old games with new ones in general it's terrible
Take Call of duty earlier everything was clearly structured beautifully so normal simple and now the whole menu is crammed with advertising buy the coins or the pass oh this skin you need certainly and so it goes on
I used to play CoD months but just these game menus that remind me more of a spam site than a game I can not give me that is too messy I lose the fun because if you unlock something you have to find it first between loud sh**
Fortnite you can still give yourself there is the menu at least neat and clear and everything you can raushauen money has nothing to do with pay-to-win to do
So in general I can not explain to me so or so what this shit is my generation has still torn the ass to become better in a game when you were bad there you could not just get the KK and make the noob times quickly by money to the pro if you were shit and did not have enough practice you were just shit so that was and no one has complained
If now someone buys the best team in Fifa for thousands of euros he flaunts with something he has not earned and worked in the game sense and is about as comparable as you say "Hey look at my cool sports car" and in the same breath you see the red license plate from the test drive
Can of course be just my outdated view but I have the point of view computer games are associated with skill and where is it please skill if you can shove everything through purchases in the ass
And no I do not criticize the purchases I have also already put hundreds of euros in Fortnite for skins or in WOW for game time etc.. but all this is not pay-to-win
I do not play video games for years,at least no new ones.Is too stupid for me the game itself,online access and any stuff in the game to have to buy / want.In the past you had a game console,game bought or illegally obtained and good is🤦
gamble1 wrote on 09/29/2022 at 01:04 PM
I find when you compare old games with new ones in general terrible
Take Call of duty earlier everything was clearly structured beautifully so normal simple and now the whole menu is crammed with advertising buy the coins or the pass oh this skin you need certainly and so it goes on
I used to play CoD months but just these game menus that remind me more of a spam site than a game I can not give me that is too messy I lose the fun because if you unlock something you have to find it first between loud sh**
Fortnite you can still give yourself there is the menu at least neat and clear and everything you can raushauen money has nothing to do with pay-to-win to do
So in general I can not explain to me so or so what this shit is my generation has still torn the ass to become better in a game when you were bad there you could not just get the KK and make the noob times quickly by money to the pro if you were shit and did not have enough practice you were just shit so that was and no one has complained
If now someone buys the best team in Fifa for thousands of euros he flaunts with something he has not earned and worked in the game sense and is about as comparable as you say "Hey look at my cool sports car" and in the same breath you see the red license plate from the test drive
Can of course be just my outdated view but I have the point of view computer games are associated with skill and where is it please skill if you can shove everything through purchases in the ass
And no I'm not criticizing the purchases I've also put hundreds of euros in Fortnite for skins or in WOW for game time etc.. but that's all not pay-to-win
Especially regarding call of duty and warzone, but actually all purchases are also only optical nature and bring no advantages.
The menu is also actually acceptable, one of 6 tabs or so hides the store and possibly have a small info window for patches etc and possibly also advertising for some bundle
The battlepass, once you have bought it for 10 euros, you get with reasonably diligent games actually with each new season for free, because the required coins are earned with battlepass progress
It's also an absolute condition for me to play a game.
That's why I don't play any strategy or building games on mobile anymore, where pay to win is unfortunately the standard.
To answer the actual question...
Lootboxes should be banned for young people.
On the subject of streamers I say nothing, because I this whole shit of streamers started about influencers and other incompetents simply can not stand😁therefore I can not neutrally what to say.
Sure, if someone earns his money with it and the viewers pay or better said the advertising partners pay based on the viewer numbers, he has of course somewhere his Daseinsberechtugung.
Vieelicht it is then also less the Streamer I find stupid, but the viewer 🤔
How ever, live and let live...
mowolum wrote on 09/29/2022 at 09:23: something different,
since I do not play mer for a while,
and shortly have birthday, I'm curious whether there is still something,
but believe it less
I guess so, depending on the casino...
Some drive rather the strategy to "reward" active players, others want to trigger rather inactive....
So I think that one or the other casino will probably jump what... 5 years ago I would have said 10 freespins in Starburst, but the trend is over or? 😂
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I don't necessarily think that you can impute a double standard there
With Fifa, it's still stupid if you overdo it, but at least there you still get your money's worth
Also you have to remember that streamers are role models for their viewers and in the worst case the kids buy some lootboxes but with casino streams most of them run to the gambling den or OC and ruin themselves totally which is much faster than with lootboxes
So Lootboxes are but rather to control than a Gambling addiction in the area of slots because casinos will always be there and everywhere and since I have already experienced from my own experience as "children" (just 18) sit in the arcade and whine like knossi has me gefi**t then we see how big the influence of the streamers is
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But you can't compare that now.
You buy FIFA is not so that it is free, and then you do not play it at all but buy the packs so that you can then flex at your schoolyard or Internet friends the same principle is also in the casino eg
Someone has a good picture on the machine
and Zack you want that too and chases what and because always new games come it does not stop
What you mean is just fun where the kids have fun. That is all legitimate
But to fill games that cost money with in game purchases is hard
A few years ago there was a shit storm because of a star wars game where EA took out the in game purchases. Why the FIFA community is doing this is a mystery to me because if the players want to do something about it, they certainly could or the streamers
But there are so many different levels earning money that nobody says anything, even if it was discussed from time to time
Happens at EA only what if players rest or set them hindered
Letzten they have shown a 12j addicted to lootbooxen in a mobile game was, the mother has reacted well and directly sought help. There was just 700 euros away for a free to play game
This all comes from YouTube or twich or discord
If I had children, I would pay close attention and educate the children
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I do not want to say directly that I think it's good that there is still bought in the game but it's just so that you have to invest further and further in other things
Addiction goes fast. You have to be careful as a parent that it remains within the framework. Control is important and also education. But it is now once also so that one is easier to influence as a child and especially we all know how that can run in the schoolyard. Also something I do not find good but you quickly become an outsider. Which is just total nonsense but children are hard
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I think if you compare old games with new ones in general it's terrible
Take Call of duty earlier everything was clearly structured beautifully so normal simple and now the whole menu is crammed with advertising buy the coins or the pass oh this skin you need certainly and so it goes on
I used to play CoD months but just these game menus that remind me more of a spam site than a game I can not give me that is too messy I lose the fun because if you unlock something you have to find it first between loud sh**
Fortnite you can still give yourself there is the menu at least neat and clear and everything you can raushauen money has nothing to do with pay-to-win to do
So in general I can not explain to me so or so what this shit is my generation has still torn the ass to become better in a game when you were bad there you could not just get the KK and make the noob times quickly by money to the pro if you were shit and did not have enough practice you were just shit so that was and no one has complained
If now someone buys the best team in Fifa for thousands of euros he flaunts with something he has not earned and worked in the game sense and is about as comparable as you say "Hey look at my cool sports car" and in the same breath you see the red license plate from the test drive
Can of course be just my outdated view but I have the point of view computer games are associated with skill and where is it please skill if you can shove everything through purchases in the ass
And no I do not criticize the purchases I have also already put hundreds of euros in Fortnite for skins or in WOW for game time etc.. but all this is not pay-to-win
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Especially regarding call of duty and warzone, but actually all purchases are also only optical nature and bring no advantages.
The menu is also actually acceptable, one of 6 tabs or so hides the store and possibly have a small info window for patches etc and possibly also advertising for some bundle
The battlepass, once you have bought it for 10 euros, you get with reasonably diligent games actually with each new season for free, because the required coins are earned with battlepass progress
It's also an absolute condition for me to play a game.
That's why I don't play any strategy or building games on mobile anymore, where pay to win is unfortunately the standard.
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Lootboxes should be banned for young people.
On the subject of streamers I say nothing, because I this whole shit of streamers started about influencers and other incompetents simply can not stand😁therefore I can not neutrally what to say.
Sure, if someone earns his money with it and the viewers pay or better said the advertising partners pay based on the viewer numbers, he has of course somewhere his Daseinsberechtugung.
Vieelicht it is then also less the Streamer I find stupid, but the viewer 🤔
How ever, live and let live...
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since I do not play mer for a while,
and shortly have birthday, I'm curious whether there is still something,
but believe it less
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I guess so, depending on the casino...
Some drive rather the strategy to "reward" active players, others want to trigger rather inactive....
So I think that one or the other casino will probably jump what... 5 years ago I would have said 10 freespins in Starburst, but the trend is over or? 😂
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